| Poll |
| Do you think this is a better Norse Team than what we have now? |
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48% |
[ 18 ] |
| No |
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51% |
[ 19 ] |
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| Total Votes : 37 |
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Lord_Makari
Joined: Feb 09, 2005
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Sep 18, 2005 - 08:49 |
 
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Catchers are important to Norse. Only Agi based players they have, and with str3, its almost best to build them as Anti-Catcher, Catchers.
I just brought up zons cause unlike norse, the only other 6337 team(excluding vampires, which have 6449s), they are balanced. Look at it like this. zons get 12 free doubles. zons get dodge, and are clearly more defensive then offensive when compaired to norse. Frenzy is a double for every single norse player on the roster, cept the BG (unless mino, then its free.) Besides, its really fluffy and think of the ways you could play if you had 11 frenzy on the pitch =X
Come to think about it, what if norse just got two extra blitzers for their roster? 6 blitzers, 2 throwers, 2 catchers, and say, 10 linemen max.
Just food for thought.. I just dont think adding str4 and claw players to the team is fixing the problem, its just slapping a bandaid on it. the real problem is their bonus skills are too focused on too few people..  |
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Spaceman_Spiff
Joined: Oct 22, 2004
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Sep 18, 2005 - 08:59 |
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I dont personaly belive the Norse team needs to be changed at all for Vault. They are a decent team and while the may not have the greatest stats on fumbbl, the addition of new skills and the removal of the trait system in Vault will see this team more options to play around with and it will increase the usefulness of their linesmen position greatly (much like every other team with only G access linemen). However our league has used a modified Norse roster with a good deal of sucsess.
12 Norse Lineman 50 K 6 3 3 7 Block G
02 Norse Thrower 70 K 6 3 3 7 Block, Pass G+P
04 Husker 90 K 5 3 3 8 Block, Dauntless G+S
02 Berserker 140 K 7 4 3 8 Block, Frenzy G+S
PS whoever said give them all frenzy, I'd like to see the team even be playable in early game. major liability. major. |
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Captain1821
Joined: Jun 23, 2004
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Sep 18, 2005 - 10:37 |
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| brownrob wrote: | they also lost -AG and Block for 2 players 
they are also 30k more expensive for each one! |
This is not big deal. You take from them 1 AG and you give them Break Tackle and it is like they have AG4! They also have +MV and they can go almost everywhere. They also have +AV.
As for block, 6 SPPs is not hard to get.
30k more is not much, sooner or later you will have 30k more for them.
From the regular Norse Blitzer, you take 1 AG and Block and you give him +ST, brake tackle (AG4), +MV, +AV for only 30k.
For me it seems like a blitzer that took +ST, +AG, +MV, +AV for only 30k. Too cheap? |
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SnakeSanders
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 18, 2005 - 13:03 |
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Just to let some folks know, this isn't my roster  . I just posted it to get a little bit of feedback on the roster
Just a few of my own thoughts on the roster:
Ulwereners: They look a good deal at 120k and this team could become quite good at getting players off the pitch (literally!) with a spreading of grab. I think the costing came out to be about 125k so a bump to 130k wouldnt be too bad! Break tackle is quite good here, Personally, I wouldnt mind if they lost Break Tackle. Ill also change the price to 130k
Catchers: I guess it depends what you use the catchers for. I guess you can go two ways... use them as an out and out catcher, using Dauntless to get past a Bull Centaur etc. This looks kinda scary but remember that Dauntless got toned down (you now need D6 + ST to beat opponents str. In this situation, would you choose a dodge or the dauntless? Obviously it will depend on the situation, but my gut feeling is that Dodge will be more useful in this regard, but not always.
Another way you could use them is the much taken route of Gutter Runners, as using them as defensive players, with the dauntless taling out the stronger ball carrier/removing assists. I like dauntless Gutters as they can cover great distances with MA9 and AG4, but then again they do need to get 16 SPP for that Its a tough call.
Blitzers: These guys are the norse team at the minute, but they take a bit of a knock in the PBBL. Why? Frenzy now requires you to GFI for 2nd block, JU isnt as powerful in conjunction with Spring Back, but they are still great players!
Werebear: Id rather face this guy than a mino any day! No Mighty Blow means that he is going to skill up more slowly than a mino, (Claws depend on who you are playing), and no Horns either, making less incentive to blitz. he is still pretty good.
These are just my own personal thought on the roster, right or wrong, they are just thoughts
As it stands, the Yeti will replace the Mino in Vault 1.10 (none of the above will be added) but this was intended as a feedback gaining excercise!
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R_Spiskit
Joined: Nov 24, 2003
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Sep 18, 2005 - 13:23 |
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Itis better, but it is broken, too good, no way.
Adding dauntless, and ST players with BT, so for blitzing are AG4 ST4, is a big NO NO. |
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MixX
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 18, 2005 - 13:27 |
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This is not big deal. You take from them 1 AG and you give them Break Tackle and it is like they have AG4!
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No way it is, it´s like they have AG 4 for one dodge each turn, for everything else they still have AG2! |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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Sep 18, 2005 - 13:29 |
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i don't understand
norses are the future chaos marauders!!!
why making them vikings?
kislevites feels more that way
i don't like |
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Colin
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 18, 2005 - 17:27 |
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I like the flavour the Ulfwerners and Werebear introduce, but I think the Ulfwerners are broken. Drop Ma by 1 and remove Break Tackle, and I think they're alright. I'm also unsure about the Dauntless Catchers - it again smacks of overdescription. Every one of these players can have Dauntless first skill in the PBBL rules, so let them earn it. This team has some muscle anyway, so they wouldn't be in dire need of Dauntless straight up. |
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Captain1821
Joined: Jun 23, 2004
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Sep 18, 2005 - 17:41 |
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| MixX wrote: | | Quote: |
This is not big deal. You take from them 1 AG and you give them Break Tackle and it is like they have AG4!
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No way it is, it´s like they have AG 4 for one dodge each turn, for everything else they still have AG2! |
Yeah, I know that. But when they are in a tackle zone, they need to dodge only once in order to use their MV7!!! Also with a +4 in their first dodge, they can risk another dodge with +2...
Don't forget that even regular ag4 players don't risk 2 dodges often. |
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SnakeSanders
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sep 18, 2005 - 18:09 |
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Ok, based from feedback from TBB and here, Galak has made the following suggestions (which I still like). the were's lose break tackle for example
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0-16 Linemen 6 3 3 7 50,000 Block G ASP
0-2 Throwers 6 3 3 7 70,000 Block, Pass GP AS
0-2 Catchers 7 3 3 7 90,000 Block, Catch GA SP
0-2 Berkserkers 6 3 3 7 90,000 Block, Frenzy, Jump Up GS AP
0-2 Ulfwereners 7 4 2 8 120,000 Frenzy GS AP
0-1 Werebear 4 5 2 8 130,000 Loner, Claws, Frenzy, S GAP
Thick Skull, Wild Animal
Rerolls: 50,000
0-2 Star Players Allowed: Icepelt Hammerblow, Morg ‘n’ Thorg, Thrud, Zara the Slayer
Star Player:
Icepelt Hammerblow (plays for Norse)
4 6 1 9 270,000 Block, Claws, Disturbing Presence,
Mighty Blow, Regenerate |
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