Webbe
Joined: Aug 13, 2003
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Apr 28, 2006 - 12:59 |
 
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With the TV system +st will be a lot less mandatory as it gives you so much more TV compared to a normal skill or double. Very good! |
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PurpleChest
Joined: Oct 25, 2003
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I'll be turning down +str on any av8 Big Guy IMHO it's especially important for them to get block ASAP. |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Apr 28, 2006 - 16:22 |
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| Optihut wrote: | | JanMattys wrote: | | I would not. A ST6 guard is something your opponent can't move. Plus, you have 1/6 chance to roll another double for block, and 1/36 chance to roll another +ST. Plus, with ST6 you only need an assist to get three dice, so no block is not THAT bad. |
But even with 3 dice the odds of falling over on a block are higher than on a 2 die block with the block skill: It's 1 / 27 for the 3 dice and 1 / 36 for 2 dice.
Also, if the Big guy is standing next to an opposing longbeard, it doesn't matter whether he has got ST 5 or ST 6, the longbeard will still get a 2 die block with the big guy's choice when he blocks him. Since the longbeard only dodges with a 50% chance, his best odds are blocking the big guy:
ST5 Block Bigguy: 11% of knocking him down, 30% chance of the longbeard falling over
ST6 non-block Bigguy: 25% of knocking him down, 30% chance of the longbeard falling over, 45% push.
So the odds of knocking down your +ST big guy are almost as big as the odds for the longbeard going down, they're even higher with a reroll. A non-block big guy is simply too unreliable to have on the pitch. |
All right. But the chances to get block later in his career compensate all that you said.
I had a ST6 Block Guard Ogre and I would have NEVER preferred a Block-Guard StandFirm one (assuming I took Block instead of +ST at 6 spps...) |
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sk8bcn
Joined: Apr 13, 2004
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Apr 28, 2006 - 16:38 |
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I d also add this about 3 dices blocks. 1/27 = 3,7% so really low.
However vs a standard player with block:
knock him down=5/9 at 2dices+b=55.5%
knock him down=19/27 at 3dices=70.3%
vs a blodger
2d+b=>11/36=30.5%
3d=>57.9%
vs a skillless player:
2d+b=>3/4=75%
3d=>70.3%
chances to fall alone
3d=>3.7%
2d+b=>2.7%
well then it is debatable how many 3dices blocks you will have overall. But by comparison only of 3dices vs 2dices+block, my choice is very easy:
3 DICES |
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xcver
Joined: Mar 10, 2005
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Apr 28, 2006 - 16:41 |
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Optihut
Joined: Dec 16, 2004
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Apr 28, 2006 - 16:52 |
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| JanMattys wrote: | All right. But the chances to get block later in his career compensate all that you said.
I had a ST6 Block Guard Ogre and I would have NEVER preferred a Block-Guard StandFirm one (assuming I took Block instead of +ST at 6 spps...) |
It's really preference, taking +ST is certainly worthwhile too, but I prefer block. Emphasy used to have an ST 6 ogre without block on his ogre team. After playing me, he didn't... A block ogre might have lasted longer (although I have to admit that the injury came to be from a foul and not a block, but it was the block and his lack of the block skill that got him down, so...). |
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maxlongstreet
Joined: Oct 18, 2005
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May 06, 2006 - 00:25 |
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I can come up with a number of different scenarios where I wouldn't necessarily take +strength, most of which have already been mentioned. A dauntless ST 2 player like AFK mentioned probably has better choices. For a treeman, I might choose something else--I certainly would if I already had +strength. For an ogre team I might choose block or pro depending on the team. |
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DrDiscoStu
Joined: Feb 20, 2006
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May 08, 2006 - 05:43 |
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Furious_George
Joined: Aug 13, 2005
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May 08, 2006 - 18:21 |
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As to whomever asked, 'why should i get a s8 tree'. Surely a better question is why shouldnt you? I mean think of it  Beating some silly orcs with strength 8 just HAS to be satisfying  |
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SergeiBautin
Joined: Jul 15, 2004
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May 16, 2006 - 11:30 |
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Ok, how about this one then. http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=team&op=view&team_id=194842 The tree just rolled a double 6. Im thinking like hell, trying to decide on St7 or Block. suggestions? |
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SnakeSanders
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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May 16, 2006 - 11:34 |
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+ST every time, never a question involved
ever wonder why a +ST is worth 50k in LRB5.0 and a Double is worth 30k?  |
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StarBreeze
Joined: May 17, 2005
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May 16, 2006 - 11:38 |
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If you dont get +str nuffle will come to you in the middle of the night when your sleeping face down and get medievil with your...COUCH! |
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Optihut
Joined: Dec 16, 2004
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May 16, 2006 - 11:43 |
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Well, the advantage from ST6->ST7 is larger than from ST5->ST6 due to the 3 die blocks without assists against ST3 players. In that case, even I would pick +ST. On other big guys I'd go for block. |
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Hindsberg
Joined: May 14, 2004
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May 16, 2006 - 11:44 |
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So plorg opened up a discussion to close one. But he was wrong. So the thread cotinues. |
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SergeiBautin
Joined: Jul 15, 2004
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May 16, 2006 - 12:07 |
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yes, the St7 gives 3 dive blocks by itself, but block gives you more knockdowns, and therefore more SPP. |
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