lethiel
Joined: Dec 05, 2004
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Apr 29, 2006 - 11:51 |
 
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As I guessed before reading this block is prefered by most coaches. I however definately goes for pro. Maybe thats because I use the TREE MAN a lot which none untill now has mentioned. Should there be anybody out there sitting with the dilemma block/pro to such one Ill say - pro. This fellow has the stand up problem and if that can be solved with pro I dont really give a damn if he is easier to get down. That will just inspire oponents to use a lot of effort blocking the tree - which is ideal because of AV 10. (you spare the other players). If the oponent runs cirles around the tree intead pro is also the best choise because it avoids the take root. I think any big guy has done an exellent job if has made the oponents players run away from and dodge the big guy the entire match. He will often stab at least two op. players just by moving next to em. Pro would make this more succesfull. |
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Britnoth
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 29, 2006 - 12:01 |
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| macike wrote: | Probability of attacker not being knocked (2d block) down when having Pro is: 4/9 + 5/9*1/2*4/9 which is circa about 57%.
Probability of attacker not being knocked (2d block) down when having Block is: 25/36 which is circa about 69%.
Failure means TO!
Probability of successful 2+ (Bone Head or Break Tackle dodge) roll is 83% without and 90% with Pro.
Probability of successful 4+ roll is 50% without and 63% with Pro.
Losing an action doesn't cause TO.
Choosing Block with Boneheads (2+ rollers) it's obvious because it's easier to fail 57% roll rather than 83% one.
Choosing Block with Really Stupid (4+ rollers) is preferred because success probabilities are comparable but Block gives much better protection not only for the player but also for the whole team. |
Show your working. |
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slanter
Joined: Aug 02, 2004
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Apr 29, 2006 - 12:15 |
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tautology: Sometimes you do not have the luxury to blitz the ball with a st4, ag5, stipball wardancer
Of course it's a desperate situation when you a) block with a bg b) try to reroll to take down opponent.
I love waterproof 1/36 (with reroll) moves as much as the next guy, but you have to take a chance now and then.
Block is the pick for me, but it's in no way a nobrainer on BH/RS Big guys as it depends on how you play the game. |
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MiBasse
Joined: Dec 04, 2004
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Apr 29, 2006 - 12:46 |
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Block isn't great because your Big Guy can block safely - it's because now he doesn't go down on your opponent's both down result on the block dice. You'll also see a decrease in -2d blocking that successfully gets your BG away from your opponent's players. He's a waaaay better road block with block than without as his chances or going down are hugely diminished. Block is NOT an offensive skill for BGs.
Well - 'cept for minos and Rat Ogres perhaps. |
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AvatarDM
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 29, 2006 - 12:49 |
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| macike wrote: | Probability of attacker not being knocked (2d block) down when having Pro is: 4/9 + 5/9*1/2*4/9 which is circa about 57%.
Probability of attacker not being knocked (2d block) down when having Block is: 25/36 which is circa about 69%.
Failure means TO!
Probability of successful 2+ (Bone Head or Break Tackle dodge) roll is 83% without and 90% with Pro.
Probability of successful 4+ roll is 50% without and 63% with Pro.
Losing an action doesn't cause TO.
Choosing Block with Boneheads (2+ rollers) it's obvious because it's easier to fail 57% roll rather than 83% one.
Choosing Block with Really Stupid (4+ rollers) is preferred because success probabilities are comparable but Block gives much better protection not only for the player but also for the whole team. |
How do you get this numbers? Like 25/36 chance to not go down when throwing a 2d block with bock, the only result where the attacker suffers a turnover is doubleskulls and that has a chance of 1/36. |
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SnakeSanders
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 29, 2006 - 12:52 |
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I would show the working, but i quit maths at GCSE and that was 7 years ago, so ive forgotten everything  |
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Superstar
Joined: Sep 28, 2004
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Apr 29, 2006 - 13:03 |
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Superstar
Joined: Sep 28, 2004
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Apr 29, 2006 - 13:03 |
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Dooby
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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Apr 29, 2006 - 13:49 |
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Treemen = pro pro pro (Take root is the worst neg trait in the game right now and anything to prevent it has to be taken - Yes, I even think its worse than OFAB). I would take Pro on my flings trees should I get a double. Second double would be block for me. |
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macike
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Apr 29, 2006 - 14:15 |
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| AvatarDM wrote: | | How do you get this numbers? Like 25/36 chance to not go down when throwing a 2d block with bock, the only result where the attacker suffers a turnover is doubleskulls and that has a chance of 1/36. |
You're definitely right.  I must have been not fully awaken and put here the probability of weaker Blocker (2d defender's choice block) not going down when attacking BG.
So let my try again. What I wanted to say was stupid. |
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pac
Joined: Oct 03, 2005
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Apr 29, 2006 - 14:20 |
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| macike wrote: | | Probability of attacker not being knocked (2d block) down when having Pro is: 4/9 + 5/9*1/2*4/9 which is circa about 57%. |
I think you mean: 8/9 (chance of not rolling twin skull/pow-skull) + 1/9*1/2*8/9 (chance of failing first roll, but making Pro roll then succeeding second block roll), which is 76/81, I think. |
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macike
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Apr 29, 2006 - 14:32 |
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 Same mistake again.
Let's erase this stupid things I wrote.
I didn't say anything. |
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Dust
Joined: May 04, 2004
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Apr 29, 2006 - 15:32 |
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I second leitheil and Dooby. Pro is a must for treemen, especially on halfling teams, to help with the TTM. |
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Mnemon
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 29, 2006 - 16:02 |
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I'd take pass over pro if I want to ttm loads. Pro can fail - pass can re-roll any time.
-Mnemon |
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Tank
Joined: Sep 06, 2003
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Apr 29, 2006 - 16:03 |
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Block first, the rest is gravy... |
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