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(GMT +11) Which format for the Boxing Day Test Round Robin Tourney?
Vanilla
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
Tail Ender Challenge - Vamp, Ogre, Gobbo & Fling only
34%
 34%  [ 8 ]
4x4 New Teams
8%
 8%  [ 2 ]
Coach-Race Inversion
43%
 43%  [ 10 ]
Total Votes : 23


DaemonicLazoth



Joined: Jul 18, 2004

Post   Posted: Dec 05, 2006 - 11:00 Reply with quote Back to top

How will the ranks be worked out?

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gumbi



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Dec 06, 2006 - 12:06 Reply with quote Back to top

DL: I imagine the first person will be first, the second second and so on...

Glutton: Watch the cricket, setup a tv so u can watch and bloodbowl. It is your national duty and the reason for the boxing day public holiday.
bartgoon



Joined: Dec 27, 2004

Post   Posted: Dec 06, 2006 - 12:46 Reply with quote Back to top

If coach-race inversion clearly gets up, I'm thinking coach win percentage as the raw number, and I'll take devaition into account. I have a spread table on how good the races are, and will reverse that off the spread of the coach rating. Example - If we get four coaches, ratings 52%,51% 47% and 46%, we will get middle of the races list teams like humans. If we get 76%,60%,41%,35% we will get CD, Amazons, halflings and goblins.

The coach spread will come off their profile stats, the race spread has come of the racial win stats.

If dynamite and coach-race inversion keep even on the poll, same game, with only the four dynamite teams and limited choices for top coaches.
Glutton



Joined: Dec 21, 2003

Post   Posted: Dec 07, 2006 - 02:14 Reply with quote Back to top

Nope sorry cant make myself do it, used to like the criket when Border was skipper when I was a young fella but Tubby & Steve just irritated me to much, Ponting is great liked him from his entrance to 1 day but I have no patience for tests...I can barely tolerate 1 dayers now.
bartgoon



Joined: Dec 27, 2004

Post   Posted: Dec 07, 2006 - 14:08 Reply with quote Back to top

Can't play the BB tourney or can't watch the cricket?
Gebannus



Joined: Apr 14, 2006

Post   Posted: Dec 07, 2006 - 14:23 Reply with quote Back to top

Count me out, though it's a great idea

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bartgoon



Joined: Dec 27, 2004

Post   Posted: Dec 11, 2006 - 23:05 Reply with quote Back to top

Here are the stats based on everyone who answered signing up to play. THIS IS NOT THE DRAW - The draw will be done later. This is an example of using variations on coach/race inversion, and three possible methods. Matching race spread to coach spread, the using the top and bottom races ona raw list.

Coaches Inversion "On the Spread"

Races:
Amazons 48 - Bartgoon 139.24
Chaos Dwarf 46 - DaemonicLazoth 140.43
Undead46
Wood Elf45
Skaven 45
Elf45 - Glutton 150.29
Dwarf43 - Gumbi 150.94
Dark Elf42 - Redmaul 151.62
High Elf 42
Lizardmen42 - Lelruthus 153.58
Orc41 - Patrician 154.8
Human40
Necromantic40
Khemri39 - Gregory_N_White 161.17
Norse39 - Clayfinity 162
Chaos 37 - Zuul 162.2
Nurgle's Rotters 36 - Laviak 163.84
Vampire33
Goblin32
Ogre31
Halfling31 - Snorri 175.78


High Rank Races:

Amazons - Bartgoon
Chaos Dwarf - DaemonicLazoth 140.43
Undead - Glutton 150.29
Wood Elf - Gumbi 150.94
Skaven - Redmaul 151.62
Elf - Lelruthus 153.58
Dwarf - Patrician 154.8
Dark Elf - Gregory_N_White 161.17
High Elf - Clayfinity 162
Lizardmen - Zuul 162.2
Orc - Laviak 163.84
Human - Snorri 175.78


Low Rank Races:

Lizardmen - Bartgoon
Orc - DaemonicLazoth 140.43
Human - Glutton 150.29
Necromantic - Gumbi 150.94
Khemri - Redmaul 151.62
Norse - Lelruthus 153.58
Chaos - Patrician 154.8
Nurgle's Rotters - Gregory_N_White 161.17
Vampire - Clayfinity 162
Goblin - Zuul 162.2
Ogre - Laviak 163.84
Halfling - Snorri 175.78
ClayInfinity



Joined: Aug 15, 2003

Post   Posted: Dec 12, 2006 - 07:22 Reply with quote Back to top

You're assuming that my coach rank indicates my prowess on the BB board...

What it does say is that I play hard races vs soft teams played by n00b coaches...

My CR actually went as high as 175 until I suffered an embarrassing Fumbbl Cup defeat... but I am "picking" it up again Evil or Very Mad
Snorri



Joined: Jun 07, 2004

Post   Posted: Dec 12, 2006 - 08:15 Reply with quote Back to top

I like the idea of doinga low rank spread...a fun tourney with some of the more bemusedly challenging races. Leave all the angst behind and have some fun with something a little different! I'm going to have to go dig out the Old Gaffer's I think!

Win % is a good way to rank people. CR is pretty prone to localised cherrypicking or recent tourney perturbations.

btw - how did you sort high and low rank races?
Laviak



Joined: Jul 19, 2004

Post   Posted: Dec 12, 2006 - 08:41 Reply with quote Back to top

i'm guessing it was done on win % -- which you can get fumbbl wide via the statistics link.

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bartgoon



Joined: Dec 27, 2004

Post   Posted: Dec 12, 2006 - 09:04 Reply with quote Back to top

Laviak for the win. And also, if by some co-incidence, someone has a artificially high CR through cherrypicking, they get a worse race. Who exactly is suffering here?
bartgoon



Joined: Dec 27, 2004

Post   Posted: Dec 12, 2006 - 09:07 Reply with quote Back to top

I declared I'd be making my mind up on the 15th. If it stays this close, I'll prob pm all responding coaches for a last pick between coach-race inversion, dynamite freepick, or coach race inversion dynamite. I hope that sentence made sense.
gregory_n_white



Joined: Jan 05, 2006

Post   Posted: Dec 14, 2006 - 05:15 Reply with quote Back to top

Any update on this tourney?
Im flying home for a few days at xmas (at my folks place) and may have some guests on the day so my inclusion is questionable...
bartgoon



Joined: Dec 27, 2004

Post   Posted: Dec 18, 2006 - 10:14 Reply with quote Back to top

I think I will declare a tie between Dynamite and Coach-Race inversion.

Rule One: Below 155Cr you may pick any Dynamite race (Vamps, Ogres, Goblins, Halflings), above CR 155 you may pick any Dynamite race except Vampires.
Rule Two - Be ready You should have yourTR 100 team ready approved.
Rule Three - Everything in the client is legal i.e. Stars, Wizards etc. All Handicaps are legal.
Rule Four - Don't be late - I will be in the SWL channel 9am 26thDecember 2006 to set up the tourney for a 10am start. From there I will create a channel (or ask an admin if it is okay to use tinshed) and we will set up the tourney. Tourney type will depend on numbers, round robin if we have only a few, multiple round robins with a final if we have many.

PM me if you have any more questions. I hope to see you there.
Snorri



Joined: Jun 07, 2004

Post   Posted: Dec 25, 2006 - 16:03 Reply with quote Back to top

Sorry fellas, just remembered Im in the land of the Kim Chi dragon. It apparently devoured the Boxing Day holiday before it even got started Sad
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