Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jan 04, 2012 - 18:05 |
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koadah wrote: | Garion wrote: | I'm sorry but thats clearly just nonesense. |
From the guy who claims he never played in the old Box? |
as you well know I was refering to jimmys comment |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Jan 04, 2012 - 18:11 |
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To get totally back on topic I think the BBRC did the right thing.
Clearly they didn't realise ClawPomb is way OP in perpetual matchmaking so they thought CD's needed a boost after the DP nerf and losing their Big Guy. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jan 04, 2012 - 18:16 |
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JimmyFantastic wrote: | To get totally back on topic I think the BBRC did the right thing.
Clearly they didn't realise ClawPomb is way OP in perpetual matchmaking so they thought CD's needed a boost after the DP nerf and losing their Big Guy. |
Thank you
Yup I get that, and it the first reasonable reason I have heard.
I'm just not sure they needed that boost. Do you still think they would need claw if the cpomb combo wasn't such a nightmare in the hands of chaos and nurgle? |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Jan 04, 2012 - 18:22 |
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Garion wrote: | koadah wrote: | Garion wrote: | I'm sorry but thats clearly just nonesense. |
From the guy who claims he never played in the old Box? |
as you well know I was refering to jimmys comment |
Yes, and Jimmy's comment pretty much explains why the old Box died.
I'm looking at 4.5 cas/game CRP vs 4.8 for LRB4. And the LRB4 stats don't include ageing. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Jan 04, 2012 - 18:30 |
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koadah wrote: | Garion wrote: | koadah wrote: | Garion wrote: | I'm sorry but thats clearly just nonesense. |
From the guy who claims he never played in the old Box? |
as you well know I was refering to jimmys comment |
Yes, and Jimmy's comment pretty much explains why the old Box died.
I'm looking at 4.5 cas/game CRP vs 4.8 for LRB4. And the LRB4 stats don't include ageing. |
Wow although nothing to do with this discussion that is still very interesting. So what you are saying is the bbrc failed in their attempt to make the game more violent to make up for the lack if ageing?
What this also means is they not only made it softer they only left the ability to cause damage in the hands of a few teams instead of everyone. Or are there maybe other factors to take into account? |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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Jan 04, 2012 - 18:42 |
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Yeah I think CD's probably should get Claw, but ClawPomb shouldn't be OP.
If ClawPomb isn't OP how do you make Chaos and Nurgle better at winning?
Nurgle pretty much suck at winning through all TV ranges despite access to the combo, and Chaos don't get very good when you remove RO from the stats. |
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Corvidius
Joined: Feb 15, 2011
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Jan 04, 2012 - 18:45 |
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Garion wrote: | koadah wrote: | Garion wrote: | koadah wrote: | Garion wrote: | I'm sorry but thats clearly just nonesense. |
From the guy who claims he never played in the old Box? |
as you well know I was refering to jimmys comment |
Yes, and Jimmy's comment pretty much explains why the old Box died.
I'm looking at 4.5 cas/game CRP vs 4.8 for LRB4. And the LRB4 stats don't include ageing. |
Wow although nothing to do with this discussion that is still very interesting. So what you are saying is the bbrc failed in their attempt to make the game more violent to make up for the lack if ageing?
What this also means is they not only made it softer they only left the ability to cause damage in the hands of a few teams instead of everyone. Or are there maybe other factors to take into account? |
I think it would be interesting to see how the racial breakdown on giving and receiving casualties changed between editions. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Jan 04, 2012 - 18:46 |
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JimmyFantastic wrote: | To get totally back on topic I think the BBRC did the right thing.
Clearly they didn't realise ClawPomb is way OP in perpetual matchmaking so they thought CD's needed a boost after the DP nerf and losing their Big Guy. |
this
yes, all is good except the PO miscalculation. |
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Corvidius
Joined: Feb 15, 2011
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Jan 04, 2012 - 18:47 |
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Ps. And the tv breakdown of casualties suffered as the idea was to increase the blood at higher levels afaik. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Jan 04, 2012 - 19:46 |
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I'll have to do some thing proper later.
I can tell you though that "it was the khems wot done it"
CRP chaos are the big hitters but only doing 2.91 cas per game.
But when I were a lad LRB4 khems were doing 3.59.
Ogres weren't too shabby either at 2.92.
Most teams were nastier except the claw boys.
Orcs were dang good, Nurlge were [censored] awful.
Now if you told that to young people today... |
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Cloggy
Joined: Sep 23, 2004
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Jan 04, 2012 - 20:55 |
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koadah wrote: | Garion wrote: | koadah wrote: | Garion wrote: | I'm sorry but thats clearly just nonesense. |
From the guy who claims he never played in the old Box? |
as you well know I was refering to jimmys comment |
Yes, and Jimmy's comment pretty much explains why the old Box died.
I'm looking at 4.5 cas/game CRP vs 4.8 for LRB4. And the LRB4 stats don't include ageing. |
Or spiralling expenses.......... |
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soranos
Joined: May 14, 2009
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Jan 05, 2012 - 22:56 |
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I have to say I am also surprised that cas average was higher "back in the days". Still would it be possible to get the cas differentials for TV1700+? I cannot imagine any team causing as much damage as new chaos or nurgle.
Still, Garion, it was not all golden back in the days. The new ruleset has its clear weaknesses but overall is a good one. As long as you don't play C-Pomb you will hardly feel a difference. It is actually better, as new skills like Wrestle mix it up a bit (no more block-monotony), inducements make for fairer games and the kick-off table has been improved. Join a league, there most of the problems you have with the ruleset are by far not as prominent.
On topic: I don't think CDs need claw and I consider them with it the best all-around teams as they are already a tough match-up for elves/skaven, non-claw bashers and hybrid teams, while doing as well against Chaos/Nurgle/Pact as any non-elf team. |
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Leilond
Joined: Jan 02, 2012
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Jan 05, 2012 - 23:27 |
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plasmoid
Joined: Nov 03, 2009
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Jan 05, 2012 - 23:31 |
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Interesting cas-count comparison.
Does it include fouling? I mean, many leagues only track SPP-casualties.
If it doesn't, then yikes for the old days - we all know how much a damage a few 1-skill linos could inflict. |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Jan 05, 2012 - 23:57 |
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Well the new apo would balance that figure out a bit. |
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