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Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Posted: Jun 21, 2025 - 18:43

To counter putting all the eggs in one basket the skill slots must be reduced and the stat boosts capped.
Even if Officious Ref targeted the best player, the impact on games would be too limited to discourage building stat freaks.

Nightbird

Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Posted: Jun 21, 2025 - 23:38

I think, overall, being sent off on a random event is B.S. & OP'd.

I won't go into specifics, but what I'd like to see, is it re-named to "Argue the Call" or something similar. And at worst, risk being KO'd after a 'fight' w/ the ref. Being, knocked down, stunned or KO'd seems enough for a random events outcome, in so far as it effects the game.

Edit:
D6
1-3 - Knocked Down
4-5 - Stunned
6 - KO'd

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Garion

Joined: Aug 19, 2009

Posted: Jun 22, 2025 - 08:18

Nightbird wrote:

I think, overall, being sent off on a random event is B.S. & OP'd.

I won't go into specifics, but what I'd like to see, is it re-named to "Argue the Call" or something similar. And at worst, risk being KO'd after a 'fight' w/ the ref. Being, knocked down, stunned or KO'd seems enough for a random events outcome, in so far as it effects the game.

Edit:
D6
1-3 - Knocked Down
4-5 - Stunned
6 - KO'd

I always liked the idea of throw rock. Imagining a treeman or something large throwing a rock at a player.

But I think it'd be more interesting if an obelisk remained on the pitch till the end of the game. Taking up a square on the pitch. It would function like a wall or statue does in blitz bowl..

If the rock lands on a square occupied by a player they should roll an ag roll to avoid it and if they fall av and inj...

But having an immovable object on the pitch would add a tactical dimension to the game.. that would be interesting

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JamesLangley

Joined: Jul 24, 2022

Posted: Jun 22, 2025 - 08:34

Garion wrote:

Nightbird wrote:

I think, overall, being sent off on a random event is B.S. & OP'd.

I won't go into specifics, but what I'd like to see, is it re-named to "Argue the Call" or something similar. And at worst, risk being KO'd after a 'fight' w/ the ref. Being, knocked down, stunned or KO'd seems enough for a random events outcome, in so far as it effects the game.

Edit:
D6
1-3 - Knocked Down
4-5 - Stunned
6 - KO'd

I always liked the idea of throw rock. Imagining a treeman or something large throwing a rock at a player.

But I think it'd be more interesting if an obelisk remained on the pitch till the end of the game. Taking up a square on the pitch. It would function like a wall or statue does in blitz bowl..

If the rock lands on a square occupied by a player they should roll an ag roll to avoid it and if they fall av and inj...

But having an immovable object on the pitch would add a tactical dimension to the game.. that would be interesting

Maybe have trapdoors on the kick-off table instead of as a PTN?

Garion

Joined: Aug 19, 2009

Posted: Jun 22, 2025 - 23:48

JamesLangley wrote:

Garion wrote:

Nightbird wrote:

I think, overall, being sent off on a random event is B.S. & OP'd.

I won't go into specifics, but what I'd like to see, is it re-named to "Argue the Call" or something similar. And at worst, risk being KO'd after a 'fight' w/ the ref. Being, knocked down, stunned or KO'd seems enough for a random events outcome, in so far as it effects the game.

Edit:
D6
1-3 - Knocked Down
4-5 - Stunned
6 - KO'd

I always liked the idea of throw rock. Imagining a treeman or something large throwing a rock at a player.

But I think it'd be more interesting if an obelisk remained on the pitch till the end of the game. Taking up a square on the pitch. It would function like a wall or statue does in blitz bowl..

If the rock lands on a square occupied by a player they should roll an ag roll to avoid it and if they fall av and inj...

But having an immovable object on the pitch would add a tactical dimension to the game.. that would be interesting

Maybe have trapdoors on the kick-off table instead of as a PTN?

Yup. Sounds good to me... prayers to nuffle should he binned. Its worthless as is. It needs a total rewrite or removal

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Burtblahblahblah

Joined: Aug 18, 2003

Posted: Jun 23, 2025 - 20:15

- Low TV abuse, particularly amazons and norse. They're just so powerful, it makes the game rather unenjoyable.

- Passing and throw team-mate are overly complex. Deflections and wildly inaccurate are completely unnecessary. Get rid of them. Happy to keep the passing stat.

- Prayers to nuffle - pointless.

- Star player access should be limited. It'll largely get rid of the mega-star problem (e.g. Griff dorfs). Bomber Dribblesnot on goblin teams isn't a problem.

- Loner on goblin trolls should be removed.

- MB+2

- Dirty player and sneaky git shouldn't be a thing. Or increase the fouling jeopardy.

- Hypnogaze back to 3+ as standard for a vampire, but keep the current turnover rule (i.e. don't go off the pitch).

- Make high elves vaguely interesting.

- No skill spam on starting teams, unless it's a marginal skill. Dodge, block, tackle etc. If GW want to skill spam fumblerooskie then that's fine, but not dodge. Please, not dodge.

MattDakka

Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Posted: Jun 23, 2025 - 20:24

Burtblahblahblah wrote:

- Low TV abuse, particularly amazons and norse. They're just so powerful, it makes the game rather unenjoyable.

Yes, and Season Re-Draft doesn't affect them very much. Then can easily get and keep stat freaks, especially with a 15-game Season and 1350k budget. Both teams have default MA 7 players, able to reach MA 9.
So, no matter if it's an Amazon/Norse Season 1 or 2+ team, they will always be OP.
Season Re-Draft actually makes the problem worse, because all teams are pushed back to the low TV zone where Amazons and Norse are strong and with freaks on top of that.
in the past editions you could eventually increase the TV of your teams and stay away from low TV (the teams could suffer some Casualties and drop to low TV from time to time, but they weren't forced to stay at low TV in many of their matches, like now).
I think that both Amazon and Norse rosters should be nerfed.

Chingis

Joined: Jul 09, 2007

Posted: Jun 23, 2025 - 21:05

MattDakka wrote:

...you could eventually increase the TV of your teams and stay away from low TV...

That's not an issue with the ruleset, that's a problem with a matchmaking environment that minimises TV difference.

In the rules, there is no way to choose to face opponents of a certain TV level. Instead, you are supposed to face opponents regardless of their TV level, and get some free inducements if you are lower TV.

We shouldn't conflate two different things: the actual rules, and the meta-game people choose to play in a very specific environment.

Outside of that very specific environment, deliberately low-TV amazons/norse will face different types of matches. Instead of low-TV opponents with no inducements, developed amazon/norse teams will face high-TV opponents with a few free inducements in their pocket. That will unavoidably change their meta-gaming calculations.

MattDakka

Joined: Oct 09, 2007

Posted: Jun 23, 2025 - 21:15

But how much can grow teams with Re-Draft in a private league environment, if a Season is short?
If the Season is supposed to be around 7 games in the rules (as far as I know), I don't think that Norse and Amazons would face high-TV opponents. Thus, both Norse and Amazons would not face an overwhelming high-TV gap (and, if they had to face a moderate-TV gap, they could just grow a bit, but they would still be good), it would not be like facing super high-TV killer Cpomb Chaos or Nurgle in CRP ruleset.
In the current Box I very rarely find high-TV teams, while in the past ruleset it wasn't an uncommon occurrence.
The "high-TV" teams I face now are around TV 1400. Hardly TV 1500+ (unless they are old teams which partially avoided the Re-Draft), and the Season in the Box is set at 15 games with 1350k Re-Draft.
In a private league with a 7-game-or-so Season and 1300k budget I doubt that both Amazons and Norse would face high-TV monster teams.