| Poll |
| Do you believe in Evolution? |
| Brains ... |
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52% |
[ 78 ] |
| Pie |
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30% |
[ 45 ] |
| Macavity |
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16% |
[ 25 ] |
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| Total Votes : 148 |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Apr 22, 2008 - 23:30 |
 
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Pac, its nothing to do with what [R]anked is or whether [R]anked is better than [L]eague or whatever. Its not about blackbox. Sneaky is pointing out that you're not playing in [R]anked as its supposed to be played. Everyone who doesent takes it further from the ideal even if only by a small amount. Personally I dont really care but I can see his point.
Jan and Sneaky..... you need to create a metagroup for [R]anked where the idea is simply to be competitive  I still believe that marrying the concepts of blackbox and stables would be excellent though, I have quite a decent algorithm for it but almost certainly wont find time until at least the summer. |
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AoP-Vimes
Joined: Oct 12, 2007
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Apr 23, 2008 - 00:36 |
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Well: We might get back to topic.
My team still misses an evolving tree, that looks good.
And i have no idea, how you put in that table of the group, which I saw in many of your teams.
Could you pls be so kind and send me the code for it, so i can vary it for my team?
Woulda be nice.
All the names for the sado- maso rats are ready and here is the tree:
The bashy Circle:
Linerat (rattus masochisticus) -->
Linerat 2nd form (rattus subdominantus) -->
Stormin Vermin (rattus sadisticus)-->
Stormin Vermin 2nd form (rattus dominantus)-->
Rat Ogre (rattus gigantus dominantus)
OR
The agility Circle:
Linerat (rattus masochisticus) -->
Linerat 2nd form (rattus slaveus) -->
Gutter Runner (rattus ropeus)-->
Gutter Runner 2nd form (rattus chainus)-->
Throwrat (rattus whippus lashus) |
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pac
Joined: Oct 03, 2005
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Apr 23, 2008 - 08:58 |
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| SillySod wrote: | | Pac, its nothing to do with what [R]anked is or whether [R]anked is better than [L]eague or whatever. Its not about blackbox. |
Sneaky's post is about black box. It's all he ever talks about so everything he posts is ultimately about black box.
| Quote: | | Sneaky is pointing out that you're not playing in [R]anked as its supposed to be played. |
Supposed according to whom? The site authorities (ie, Christer)? Sorry, but I'm not very interested in their opinion of how each division is 'supposed' to be used, especially when it bears so little relation to how it's actually used. If they want things to be different (or even as advertised) they're their responsibility to reform the system, not mine. If I set up a league and it doesn't unfold as I had expected, I don't blame the coaches (not that Christer does - indeed, he's happy for people to do whatever they like). |
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JanMattys
Joined: Feb 29, 2004
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Apr 23, 2008 - 09:05 |
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| pac wrote: | | SillySod wrote: | | Pac, its nothing to do with what [R]anked is or whether [R]anked is better than [L]eague or whatever. Its not about blackbox. |
Sneaky's post is about black box. It's all he ever talks about so everything he posts is ultimately about black box.
| Quote: | | Sneaky is pointing out that you're not playing in [R]anked as its supposed to be played. |
Supposed according to whom? The site authorities (ie, Christer)? Sorry, but I'm not very interested in their opinion of how each division is 'supposed' to be used, especially when it bears so little relation to how it's actually used. If they want things to be different (or even as advertised) they're their responsibility to reform the system, not mine. If I set up a league and it doesn't unfold as I had expected, I don't blame the coaches (not that Christer does - indeed, he's happy for people to do whatever they like). |
First example I see of a thread author derailing his own thread  |
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pac
Joined: Oct 03, 2005
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Apr 23, 2008 - 09:50 |
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| AoP-Vimes wrote: | And i have no idea, how you put in that table of the group, which I saw in many of your teams.
Could you pls be so kind and send me the code for it, so i can vary it for my team? |
The best way is just to View Source and copy the code, although I can send it to you by PM if you want. There's still quite a lot you'll need to edit though (icons, names, placement in the tree, possibly size of the tree).
I would suggest a slightly more involved tree than just two branches so that there are choices more often, but if you're happy with just the two then yours looks fine. 
(Jan - I can have a simultaneous tangent within the topic while still remaining on-topic too. ) |
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NeilCollins_
Joined: Dec 02, 2007
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Apr 23, 2008 - 10:13 |
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Im thinking of doing an evolution team with chaos dwarves but Im needed some names for the positions.
I was thinking:
-->Hobgoblin -->Chaos Dwarf -->Chaos Dwarf -->Bull centaur
Hobgoblin --> Hobgoblin -->Hobgoblin -->Ogre
-->Hobgoblin --> Hobgoblin -->Hobgoblin -->Troll
Also could anyone help me on how I can get the icons from the team? Thanks |
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pac
Joined: Oct 03, 2005
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Apr 23, 2008 - 10:45 |
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| NeilCollins_ wrote: | | Also could anyone help me on how I can get the icons from the team? Thanks |
You can find the icons (all the red ones, at least) at: http://fumbbl.com/files/images/ |
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PhrollikK
Joined: Nov 04, 2006
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Apr 23, 2008 - 12:28 |
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SneakyFox
Joined: Oct 29, 2005
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Apr 23, 2008 - 12:59 |
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| pac wrote: | | SillySod wrote: | | Pac, its nothing to do with what [R]anked is or whether [R]anked is better than [L]eague or whatever. Its not about blackbox. |
Sneaky's post is about black box. It's all he ever talks about so everything he posts is ultimately about black box. |
True. I even admitted it in my second post. I use any and all cheap tricks to advertise it  .
| pac wrote: | | SillySod wrote: | | Sneaky is pointing out that you're not playing in [R]anked as its supposed to be played. |
Supposed according to whom? The site authorities (ie, Christer)? Sorry, but I'm not very interested in their opinion of how each division is 'supposed' to be used, especially when it bears so little relation to how it's actually used. If they want things to be different (or even as advertised) they're their responsibility to reform the system, not mine. If I set up a league and it doesn't unfold as I had expected, I don't blame the coaches (not that Christer does - indeed, he's happy for people to do whatever they like). |
Also true, but unless you voice your opinion, nothing is ever going to change. I am sure you would also like to see a REAL competitive division, instead of a division that has all the players for the simple reason that none of the other divisions are popular enough to attract players. It is true that League is the only division where actual competition takes place, but the games do not count for CR or championship standing. Neither are there any big tournaments where everyone could participate (at least not ones with prices).
But as I mentioned earlier, as things are, it really doesnt matter what you do in Ranked, since the current format is a bit fawlty. The Powers-That-Be might as well stop advertising it as the competitive division. (Insert odd ramblings about blackbox here) |
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pac
Joined: Oct 03, 2005
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Apr 23, 2008 - 13:25 |
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| SneakyFox wrote: | | Also true, but unless you voice your opinion, nothing is ever going to change. I am sure you would also like to see a REAL competitive division, instead of a division that has all the players for the simple reason that none of the other divisions are popular enough to attract players. It is true that League is the only division where actual competition takes place, but the games do not count for CR or championship standing. Neither are there any big tournaments where everyone could participate (at least not ones with prices). |
I am fairly satisfied with League as a competitive division. It's clear that users are far better placed to run competitive tournaments than site staff as they can devote a larger proportion of their FUMBBL time to it compared with staff who have a lot of other issues to deal with. Ranked in the mean time serves the function of a mass-participation casual play division.
CR is neither here nor there. The Championship is ... an odd idea. It is only a stand-in and poor substitute for the kind of league competitions which are precisely the meat and drink of [L] anyway. While it is in some ways unfortunate that user created tournaments cannot offer prizes, the experience of Ranked suggests that these are either trivial (ie, amount to far less than the cost of competing in the first place) or serve to (or at least are perceived to) unbalance subsequent competitions. The main prize of a tournament is the trophy itself (and plenty of League tournaments have a nice line in shiny imgs).
If you really want a mass-participation competitive league/tournament/division, the best way to get one is for users to lead the way in creating it in League. The site staff, even were they inclined to do so, are not in a position, given their limited numbers and other demands on their time, to wave a magic wand and make it happen in Ranked. |
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Eghost
Joined: Oct 19, 2003
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Apr 23, 2008 - 13:43 |
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awww, 2 games played, no deaths, just 2 wins for my rat linos... |
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Purplegoo
Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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Apr 23, 2008 - 13:58 |
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| pac wrote: | | SillySod wrote: | | Pac, its nothing to do with what [R]anked is or whether [R]anked is better than [L]eague or whatever. Its not about blackbox. |
Sneaky's post is about black box. It's all he ever talks about so everything he posts is ultimately about black box.
| Quote: | | Sneaky is pointing out that you're not playing in [R]anked as its supposed to be played. |
Supposed according to whom? The site authorities (ie, Christer)? Sorry, but I'm not very interested in their opinion of how each division is 'supposed' to be used, especially when it bears so little relation to how it's actually used. If they want things to be different (or even as advertised) they're their responsibility to reform the system, not mine. If I set up a league and it doesn't unfold as I had expected, I don't blame the coaches (not that Christer does - indeed, he's happy for people to do whatever they like). |
The site has done nothing but funnel coaches in the direction of [R] since I got here, as we talked about at length in the thread about the discontent with [R] tournaments. If it were a truly competitive division, then they would push other divisions such that only the coaches desperate to win and do well in a ranking sense would play [R], and there'd be enough BB to go around for everyone else. To be honest, site policy has basically pushed Majors into what they currently are (for good or bad, let's not beat the point to death), and [R] into the only division where this would work, you aren't ever evolving a team in [U] now, are you?
[R] could be dealt with at a stroke. The fact is that it’s liked by those in charge (and I suspect the (in a forum sense) silent majority) quite how it is thank-you means that it’s here to stay as is. Evolve away to all! |
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Zaghrog
Joined: Dec 09, 2005
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Apr 23, 2008 - 14:53 |
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| Eghost wrote: | | awww, 2 games played, no deaths, just 2 wins for my rat linos... |
Well, my undead have it a bit opposite: one death in two games but lost both of them 0-2. |
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Habeli
Joined: Mar 04, 2004
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Apr 24, 2008 - 12:28 |
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Eghost
Joined: Oct 19, 2003
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Apr 24, 2008 - 13:00 |
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AoP, you lucker, 4 deaths in 4 games....I get none in 3 |
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