Laggo
Joined: Dec 28, 2011
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Oct 18, 2012 - 02:07 |
 
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I've been trying to play more zons recently and so with linemen beginning to skill up I've been thinking about block vs wrestle.
With block, man marking is arguably more effective as you have the basic 'stay on your feet combo. Yet on any roster with blitzers over 2 it seems like it would be a better idea to have a bit of wrestle for blitzes vs blodge surehands or just clearing pitch space when necessary.
I've been leaning toward to wrodge exclusively on linemen to offset blodge on everybody else, but im wondering when specifically wrestle is considered better? |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Oct 18, 2012 - 02:14 |
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This isn't a black and white issue, so there is no answer blodge or wrodge. You need to mix and match.
3 points.
los staff (if they are skilled) and ball stealing staff are better served with wrestle.
Generally Zons are a pretty bashy team, so the majority of staff are better served with block.
I (like zons) like to block a lot, so generally I prefer block.
So, if it was my team I would have between 1 and 5 with wrestle and all the rest with block.
Of course the wrestle staff could be and possibly should be your catchers as well. |
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robocoyote
Joined: Oct 19, 2010
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Oct 18, 2012 - 02:21 |
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I agree with HM depends on team and need
I use undead a lot and usually have at least one Wrestle/Tackle ghoul for ball stealing. I think block keeps your guy safer and more useful, but wrestle has a place on a team as well |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Oct 18, 2012 - 02:38 |
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I prefer Wrodgering, especially when it comes to Zons. |
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MattDakka
Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Oct 18, 2012 - 02:58 |
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Wrestle on linewomen who don't have Guard, if they have Guard then Block is better.
If you roll + 1 AG on a linewoman use her as ball carrier, and take Block.
Block on Thrower and Catchers.
Why Wrestle? Because when playing against Dwarfs and Chaos Dwarfs (i.e.the worst match ups for Amazons) Wrestle is better than Block, you can 1-die-block away the Dwarfs, and if you roll both down you don't get stuck near them, thus avoiding the Dwarfs' returning block in the next turn.
Add Fend to the recipe, of course. |
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CW
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Oct 18, 2012 - 04:06 |
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So does anyone ever stack Block and Wrestle together? |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Oct 18, 2012 - 04:44 |
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Wardancers often do. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Oct 18, 2012 - 10:03 |
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A mixture. You start with 4 blockers so you can afford to take wrestle on you first 2 or 3. If you get doubles and take guard that one should take block.
I've never taken block & wrestle on a player. But if a wrestle player gets guard then block looks good.
I like block on catchers. Blodge/sidestep/diving tackle can be irritating. It also keeps em standing for that last turn desperation pass. |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Oct 18, 2012 - 11:07 |
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Zons + wrodge + mud = Win |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Oct 18, 2012 - 11:22 |
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As a rule of thumb -
On pure bash teams don't bother with wrestle.
On Elves, Slann and Skaven I like wrestle on all linemen other than the ones that get a double (Guard) in which case I got block. And on all positionals I go blodge except for one ball sacker who gets wrestle + strip.
Then there is some of the middling teams, humans, undead zons etc that need a bit of both. |
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Overhamsteren
Joined: May 27, 2006
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Oct 18, 2012 - 13:22 |
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I guess block is better in low TV where it will give more knock downs and wrestle gets better as everyone gets block. Maybe just take block on pretty much everyone and when you get to a high enough TV let late skill ups and player turnover change blodgers into wrodgers. |
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the_Sage
Joined: Jan 13, 2011
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Oct 18, 2012 - 13:44 |
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| Overhamsteren wrote: | | I guess block is better in low TV where it will give more knock downs and wrestle gets better as everyone gets block. Maybe just take block on pretty much everyone and when you get to a high enough TV let late skill ups and player turnover change blodgers into wrodgers. |
Or just give the last 3 linos to get 6 spps wrestle, and the ones before that block. |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Oct 18, 2012 - 14:21 |
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| Overhamsteren wrote: | | I guess block is better in low TV where it will give more knock downs and wrestle gets better as everyone gets block. Maybe just take block on pretty much everyone and when you get to a high enough TV let late skill ups and player turnover change blodgers into wrodgers. |
obviously team dependant but I think the opposite. Wrestle is a far riskier skill to have at high TV vs bashers because (and a lot of people don't seem t realise this) Juggernaut cancels Wrestle. I don't mean it turns it in to push backs, I mean if there is a CPOMB tackle block Juggernaut player and he doesn't use Juggernaut to change both down to push then the both down will knock a wrestle player over and you can then Pile On. Obviously this is only one action a turn but with some intelligent use you can get rid of pesky wrodgers pretty quickly this way. |
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noobie2k7
Joined: Sep 28, 2012
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Oct 18, 2012 - 15:50 |
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| pythrr wrote: | | I prefer Wrodgering, especially when it comes to Zons. |
Giggidy |
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Nelphine
Joined: Apr 01, 2011
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Oct 18, 2012 - 15:52 |
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'pure bash teams don't get wrestle' is nonsense. A pure bash team will take DP, and having DP en masse means take wrestle!
That being said, amazons probably won't have much DP. |
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