SkittleMosaic
Joined: May 17, 2018
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Nov 30, 2020 - 08:35 |
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Trying to figure out how many of each positional you want of each type, mostly snotling count, total # of players and Rogre v Troll. This is my thoughts on the peak list
6 Full skaven package
1 Rat Ogre
5 Goblins
3 Snotlings
3 RR
1 Apo
15 players
I am a fan of Animal Savagery because it gives you full control of a big guy, and UW lost their second blitzer even if the troll is REALLY good (worth noting Rogre's Break Tackle still gives you 2+). Snotlings are the perfect fodder to feed him, and 3 snotlings is enough to get maximum swarming at the start of the game and still potentially have swarming by the end. The problem is you only have 12 non-snots and I'm not sure thats enough bodies for swarming to actually take effect by the second half. Going to 16 cuts off star player access which is a big deal in BB2020. Would 6 goblins and 2 snots be smarter? Would love to hear your thoughts |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 30, 2020 - 08:58 |
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Rat ogre would dodge on a 3+ with BT not 2+.
Imo rat ogre is awful in this team. Your players don't have the AV to cope with the extra hits from the rogre. He is another player with av8. He is extremely expensive. To make him good you need to stack skills on him.
Bug guys are best as Road blocks. Get your troll block and then get in the way. He is also cheaper, high av, regen. Just better in every way.
Snotlings I can see both sides if the argument, personally I would take 3. I think fouling is going to be big in this edition. Get fouling from turn 1 and don't stop. |
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C0ddlefish
Joined: Sep 17, 2019
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Nov 30, 2020 - 09:04 |
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Snotlings as ROgre bait seems like it will work once then you'll lose a Snotling. Repeat with the swarming Snots for the rest of the half and you'll be doing well too have any Snots for the second half. Second half he's now splatting your rats or gobbos.
Id take the Troll |
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LemonheadWallenstein
Joined: Dec 20, 2012
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Nov 30, 2020 - 09:20 |
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plus the one turn option is gone with the rat ogre |
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Garion
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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Nov 30, 2020 - 09:22 |
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wallenstein wrote: | plus the one turn option is gone with the rat ogre |
One turn option is gutter runner now. No point ttm any more |
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LemonheadWallenstein
Joined: Dec 20, 2012
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Nov 30, 2020 - 09:36 |
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well, if he survives until t16, it's not a bad thing having 2 options instead of one |
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SkittleMosaic
Joined: May 17, 2018
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Nov 30, 2020 - 10:16 |
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Rogre is Ag 4+ so will be a 2+ with Break Tackle, the Troll would be 3+.
Big guys normally are best as road blocks sure, but you can theoretically get 100% activation returns from the rogre with simple positioning, meaning you can fairly reliably use him as a St 5 Blitzer with a bunch of skills and a penchant for punching teammates. If you gave him block and claw and considered your 3 snotlings as "Rogre tax" (he'll hit them ~4 times a game, one should live for another hit) then he is a 255k Blitzer, and to build your blitzer roughly the same way would cost you ~310k TV and a ton more spp (and very lucky stat rolls ofc).
Edit: I will admit the fragility of the team definitely goes in the Trolls favour. |
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Grasshugger17
Joined: Jun 29, 2020
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Dec 15, 2020 - 12:43 |
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I know most people won't care, but in terms of fluff, what could be better than a big guy that pumches his own players in and Underworld team? |
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Loki_on_NAF
Joined: Jun 07, 2005
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Dec 15, 2020 - 18:18 |
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Grasshugger17 wrote: | I know most people won't care, but in terms of fluff, what could be better than a big guy that pumches his own players in and Underworld team? | 2 of them |
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ben_awesome
Joined: May 11, 2016
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Dec 15, 2020 - 20:27 |
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you get +2 to the animal savergy roll if blocking or blitzing, so your snotlings shouldn't be hit that much... |
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AzraelEVA
Joined: Nov 14, 2015
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Dec 15, 2020 - 22:44 |
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Rogre is a much better and reliable player than the troll. Go for the don't run away option with -1 armor roll on failed dodge attempt + stand firm to really be a nuisance. |
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Grasshugger17
Joined: Jun 29, 2020
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Dec 16, 2020 - 09:07 |
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AzraelEVA wrote: | Rogre is a much better and reliable player than the troll. Go for the don't run away option with -1 armor roll on failed dodge attempt + stand firm to really be a nuisance. |
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ph0enyx13
Joined: Nov 14, 2015
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Dec 16, 2020 - 16:13 |
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I think the way the math works out you can do 14 players with 3 snots and get Fat Glart and Hackflem and fit it in 1150 or 1100 for rez. I'd think in league 15 players would be the way to go and then just sack a gob if you want to get 2 star players and always 3 snots for swarming |
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