MegaBiquette
Joined: Dec 04, 2006
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May 30, 2015 - 15:00 |
 
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Hello everyone, I'm a returning player (registered in 2006) and a newbie, and sometimes I see this term on the forum.
What is it exactly and how do you do it?
Thanks by advance  |
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DukeTyrion
Joined: Feb 18, 2004
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May 30, 2015 - 15:03 |
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Min-maxing is dropping your TV on purpose, normally into a teams 'sweet-spot'.
The best examples and players firing perfectly healthy players, either because they have too many skills, or didn't roll doubles.
Another is teams running with one or no rerolls and a leader. |
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Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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May 30, 2015 - 15:03 |
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Good there is Wikipedia.
Also from Wikipedia this quote:
| Neumann (1928) wrote: | | As far as I can see, there could be no theory of games … without that theorem … I thought there was nothing worth publishing until the Minimax Theorem was proved. |
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CW
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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May 30, 2015 - 15:03 |
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I am certainly not an expert on how to do it. But I would say the basic definition is managing your team's TV to keep it as low as possible, therefore maximizing the effectiveness of your team. |
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Motskari
Joined: Dec 03, 2005
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May 30, 2015 - 15:04 |
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m0gw41
Joined: Jun 12, 2012
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May 30, 2015 - 15:06 |
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Minimum TV for maximum effectiveness i.e. only choosing the most useful skills and stacking skills that work well together on a few star players, normally in amongst a load of rookies. Min-maxed teams usually come with a minimum of team re-rolls and reserves, and often miss out big guys/less effective positionals. Mostly seen in the Blackbox where games are matched on TV. |
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Jopotzuki
Joined: Oct 07, 2011
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May 30, 2015 - 15:15 |
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Maxmax is the way to go I say! |
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Leilond
Joined: Jan 02, 2012
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May 30, 2015 - 15:23 |
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All things said before are correct (firing healty players to reroll their skill hoping for +stat/doubles, firing healty players to keep the TV in the perfect range for a certain race and so on)
The main concept is "Using the rules in a way they're not intended to work"
I try to explain better. Rules are created with perpetual league in mind, and pheraps NAF tournament. In such environment, it's EXTREME RARE (or nearly impossible) to really have any advantage in firing an healty positional with 2-3 skills, because your next opponent won't be weaker because of this, while in Black Box is USUALLY what is going to happen (unless you apply with very few coach ready and you use a >30 match team).
This means that an action (firing healty skilled player) that is usually a stupid move in the perpetual leagues (the environment BB rules are intended for) is an effective move in Black Box.
Finally, it's exploiting a system using mechanics intended for another envirnment. Because Black Box Blood Bowl it's not properly Blood Bowl, but a little difference form of it, but without enough special rules to make the system less exploitable.
It's like playing football with a 20% smaller field, without studing some rules (like play with 1 or 2 player less than standard football) to prevent things to go wrong |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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May 30, 2015 - 15:27 |
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| MegaBiquette wrote: | Hello everyone, I'm a returning player (registered in 2006) and a newbie, and sometimes I see this term on the forum.
What is it exactly and how do you do it?
Thanks by advance |
New coach eh?
Come and see the 145 Club
Min/maxing?
1. Exploiting deficiencies the TV system to create team much more effective than it's stated TV.
2. Excellent team management.
3. Extreme team management
4. Not creating a bloated fluffy team.
5. Keeping TV low(ish) to avoid heavy CPOMBers & Spiralling expenses |
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Leilond
Joined: Jan 02, 2012
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May 30, 2015 - 15:33 |
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| koadah wrote: |
1. Exploiting deficiencies the TV system to create team much more effective than it's stated TV. |
I do not completely agree with this
The TV system, in the environment it is intended to work (perpetual leagues) works pretty well. It's not meant to be extremely accurate, but it is enough to give a bounce of indicement to weaker team to make matchs at least playable.
The problem is that we use the TV system intended for perpetual leagues, in Black Box, where the strength of your next opponent is based on that TV...
That TV system wasn't created for that, and thus it doesn't work properly in Black Box. It's not a system matter, but a Black Box matter (and a Ranked matter, a bit less) |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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May 30, 2015 - 15:50 |
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| Leilond wrote: | | koadah wrote: |
1. Exploiting deficiencies the TV system to create team much more effective than it's stated TV. |
I do not completely agree with this
The TV system, in the environment it is intended to work (perpetual leagues) works pretty well. It's not meant to be extremely accurate, but it is enough to give a bounce of indicement to weaker team to make matchs at least playable.
The problem is that we use the TV system intended for perpetual leagues, in Black Box, where the strength of your next opponent is based on that TV...
That TV system wasn't created for that, and thus it doesn't work properly in Black Box. It's not a system matter, but a Black Box matter (and a Ranked matter, a bit less) |
I'd say that too many Fumbblers are too hung up on TV matching. Even so. Getting the best bang for your buck is still min/maxing in a lot of people's books. |
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MegaBiquette
Joined: Dec 04, 2006
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May 30, 2015 - 15:51 |
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Thanks for your answers. Also, what does CRP mean?
@Koadah: I saw that club but I'm not sure how to get a game in [L]. |
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Leilond
Joined: Jan 02, 2012
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May 30, 2015 - 15:56 |
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| koadah wrote: | | Leilond wrote: | | koadah wrote: |
1. Exploiting deficiencies the TV system to create team much more effective than it's stated TV. |
I do not completely agree with this
The TV system, in the environment it is intended to work (perpetual leagues) works pretty well. It's not meant to be extremely accurate, but it is enough to give a bounce of indicement to weaker team to make matchs at least playable.
The problem is that we use the TV system intended for perpetual leagues, in Black Box, where the strength of your next opponent is based on that TV...
That TV system wasn't created for that, and thus it doesn't work properly in Black Box. It's not a system matter, but a Black Box matter (and a Ranked matter, a bit less) |
I'd say that too many Fumbblers are too hung up on TV matching. Even so. Getting the best bang for your buck is still min/maxing in a lot of people's books. |
I'm only saying that we, on FUMBBL, use the TV in a wrong way, or to be less rude, to do things the system isn't intende to be used for
The TV system was written to give weaker team some inducement and to limit the developement of a team with spiralling expenses.
Black box uses it to choose your next opponent. A COMPLETELY different use of it, and it is pretty obvious that it is flawed. But it's not the TV system to be flawed. It's the use we make of it that is wrong
It's like football with a basket ball and whine because it doesn't work properly and thus say the basket ball is flawed |
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JimmyFantastic
Joined: Feb 06, 2007
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May 30, 2015 - 16:06 |
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I often sack healthy players in league. Min-max to the max! |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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May 30, 2015 - 16:13 |
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| Leilond wrote: | | koadah wrote: | | Leilond wrote: | | koadah wrote: |
1. Exploiting deficiencies the TV system to create team much more effective than it's stated TV. |
I do not completely agree with this
The TV system, in the environment it is intended to work (perpetual leagues) works pretty well. It's not meant to be extremely accurate, but it is enough to give a bounce of indicement to weaker team to make matchs at least playable.
The problem is that we use the TV system intended for perpetual leagues, in Black Box, where the strength of your next opponent is based on that TV...
That TV system wasn't created for that, and thus it doesn't work properly in Black Box. It's not a system matter, but a Black Box matter (and a Ranked matter, a bit less) |
I'd say that too many Fumbblers are too hung up on TV matching. Even so. Getting the best bang for your buck is still min/maxing in a lot of people's books. |
I'm only saying that we, on FUMBBL, use the TV in a wrong way, or to be less rude, to do things the system isn't intende to be used for
The TV system was written to give weaker team some inducement and to limit the developement of a team with spiralling expenses.
Black box uses it to choose your next opponent. A COMPLETELY different use of it, and it is pretty obvious that it is flawed. But it's not the TV system to be flawed. It's the use we make of it that is wrong
It's like football with a basket ball and whine because it doesn't work properly and thus say the basket ball is flawed |
You are not really arguing against my point.
The question was What is min/maxing. Min/maxing is not blood bowl specific. |
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