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Kinks



Joined: Feb 28, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 14, 2023 - 00:54 Reply with quote Back to top

You asked for feedback, so here goes.

As for the specific values, I don't play enough or have enough experience to objectively provide anything that your thorough calculations haven't already. All I can say is I broadly agree.

Whilst I admire your optimism and am grateful for your efforts, I don't foresee any such suggestions been adopted on a large scale, especially if a new addition is on it's way. However, I do like the idea of uniting a standing up as players to get what we want out of the game. Thank you GW for creating and developing a great game, but here is what the players would like to see. (Slann teams back!). With those things in mind, I think any petition to GW may be better targeted towards the next editon.

So, although your calculations are very thorough and would be a good short term fix, I don't think they take into account the big picture. I've seen PC say several times it was a mistake to buff star players 3 times in one go (Discounted, extra unique skills & more widely available), which does bring up one of the other issue, wider access, which could also be addressed to keep these stars in line. Pricing Hackflem for Skaven or UW is not the same as pricing him for Chorfs. That could be addressed through a preferred teams cost and acceptable teams cost perhaps? Yet still, I don't think PC goes far enough, there were more than 3 buffs: Toping up inducements got easier, earning gold increased, building your own stars got hugely nerfed (injuries, redrafting, obscene pricing for +1ST). For me, to really bring stars back into line redrafting and team building need to also be addressed.

Sorry, not a clean answer, maybe not even helpful. The thought was there though Smile

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Nelphine



Joined: Apr 01, 2011

Post   Posted: Jan 14, 2023 - 02:15 Reply with quote Back to top

I appreciate it immensely! I think I may be tackling too much.
Kinks



Joined: Feb 28, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 14, 2023 - 06:10 Reply with quote Back to top

“The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it.”

If you don't try we will never know.

Any constructive feedback that gathers enthusiasm from the masses is likely to make it's way to those that count. Maybe worth reaching out to those that have connections and influence. I see PC is already following the post, although somewhat more sceptical than me. AndyDavo maybe? I believe he runs a tourney and frequents GWHQ regularly.

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Kinks



Joined: Feb 28, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 14, 2023 - 06:11 Reply with quote Back to top

Another step might be to create a league of some sort using them on here, as a starting point.

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Kinks



Joined: Feb 28, 2007

Post   Posted: Jan 14, 2023 - 06:37 Reply with quote Back to top

Or a tournament? Are we allowed to create [C] minor tourneys?

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Java



Joined: Jan 27, 2018

Post   Posted: Jan 14, 2023 - 15:26 Reply with quote Back to top

[C] tournaments would use the regular C ruleset so you can't modify star costs there

you'd need a separate ruleset and league setting

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koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Jan 14, 2023 - 20:21 Reply with quote Back to top

Kinks wrote:
Another step might be to create a league of some sort using them on here, as a starting point.


Is the roster built?

If it ever gets going, O[L]C 2020 would be interested.

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BarkingMark



Joined: Sep 29, 2021

Post   Posted: Jan 20, 2023 - 14:21 Reply with quote Back to top

Boa Kon'ssstriktr is missing his prehensile tail.
(Must have hurt!)
Nelphine



Joined: Apr 01, 2011

Post   Posted: Jan 20, 2023 - 15:09 Reply with quote Back to top

thank you very much! Still in group 4, but not by nearly as much
coombz



Joined: Oct 12, 2010

Post   Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 20:05 Reply with quote Back to top

Seventyone wrote:
...and yet GW allowed this to happen in the first place and also haven't fixed it for anything bar NAF style tournaments.

That is the real lesson here


like the post above you said...they wanted to sell more star player models

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Nelphine



Joined: Apr 01, 2011

Post   Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 20:36 Reply with quote Back to top

sure, but if all of their stars were in the -5 to -10% range (like chaney or karla), i think they would see ALL of their stars, instead of just the mega stars.
Garion26



Joined: Nov 28, 2021

Post   Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 21:27 Reply with quote Back to top

coombz wrote:

like the post above you said...they wanted to sell more star player models


Reminder arguably the 'best' star GW makes (Griff) is included 'free' in the starter set for BB 2020. That's hardly the approach to take if making a lot money off sales of stars was important.

As Nelphine points out GW would make more money if all stars were equally 'broken' as it would make sense for coaches to own all of them to have in your arsenal.

As it stands if you want to be competitive you want to own the 'big 3/4' stars and there is no reason to ever buy the rest of stars.
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