bj0rn
Joined: Feb 03, 2004
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Feb 03, 2004 - 10:46 |
 
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i find it VERY annoying that the trollslayer automatically follows up after his second frenzy block...even if he knocks down or removes the defender from the field (not that it should be a reason)
or, to quote from the rules (appropriate):
| Quote: | A player with Frenzy must always follow an opponent up if they
push them back. In addition, if a frenzied player pushes back an
opponent without knocking them over, then they must follow up
the opponent and then throw another block at them, |
ok, this says that if you push the opponent back (i read "get the push back result on the blocking dice") you have to follow up. NOT if you knock the opponent down...and most likely push him out of the field (even though the result was push back - dodgy here).
anyways, this has probably been beaten to death here...but please spare the yelling if i missed that...
thanks,
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DreadClaw
Joined: Nov 17, 2003
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Feb 03, 2004 - 10:58 |
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a pow is a pushback and then a knockover, making it subject to the same rules as pushback. Skijunkie is correct. Get sidestep or standfirm for pushouts |
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Louky
Joined: Dec 29, 2003
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Feb 03, 2004 - 10:59 |
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| rules wrote: | A player with Frenzy must always follow an opponent up if they push them back.
In addition, if a frenzied player pushes back an opponent without knocking them over,
then they must follow up the opponent and then throw another block at them |
I believe the bold part implies that pushing back is not only "roll pushback" but really physically push back.
But would this mean that a frenzied player shouldn't get his second block on a player with "stand firm" or if he rolls a pow/skull againt a player with "block" ? |
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Franz
Joined: Sep 13, 2003
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Feb 03, 2004 - 11:05 |
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No, stand firm don't stop the frenzy. But the frenzy player is not forced to follow up if he knock down the target. |
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quota
Joined: Nov 24, 2003
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Feb 03, 2004 - 11:27 |
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| Louky wrote: | | rules wrote: | A player with Frenzy must always follow an opponent up if they push them back.
In addition, if a frenzied player pushes back an opponent without knocking them over,
then they must follow up the opponent and then throw another block at them |
I believe the bold part implies that pushing back is not only "roll pushback" but really physically push back.
But would this mean that a frenzied player shouldn't get his second block on a player with "stand firm" or if he rolls a pow/skull againt a player with "block" ? |
You're reading it wrong. The text you marked is telling you that if you only pushed "you have to make a followup and block again." Where as if you push and knockdown, you don't throw an additional block. The important part is "A player with Frenzy must always follow an opponent up if they push them back." Since POW is a pushback and knockdown, you have to make a followup.
Either place players around the frenzy player to save him from being pushed out, or simply blitz with him and move him toward the middle after the pushout. |
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Mr-Klipp
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Feb 03, 2004 - 13:52 |
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From the frenzy rules:
A player with Frenzy must always follow an opponent up if they push them back
From the rules on blocking:
Push back: The defending player is pushed back one square by the blocking player. The attacking player may follow up the defender.
!Pow: Unless the defender has the Dodge skill he is pushed back and then knocked over. If he does have the Dodge skill then he is only pushed back. The attacking player may follow up the defender.
Pow: The defending player is pushed back and then knocked down in the square they are moved to. The attacking player may follow up the defender.
The client does it exactly right. |
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jimimothybodles
Joined: Mar 31, 2004
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Apr 11, 2005 - 13:56 |
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when a frenzied player follows up after a block is that movement an extra one that doesnt come from players movement allowence?
MA7 witch elf blitzed with on 7th move -> pushback follow up ->8th move made another block due to frenzy rules -> THEN took 2 gfi..ended up moving 10 squares..
is this right or a bug?
| Quote: | | If the frenzied player is taking a Blitz action and runs out of normal movement, he can stop attacking (ie, he does not have to throw the additional block), although he can Go For It to throw the block if you want him to – assuming he still has go for it squares left of course. |
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Mr_QB
Joined: Jul 16, 2004
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Apr 11, 2005 - 14:07 |
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it counts towards your movement |
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Mithrilpoint
Joined: Mar 16, 2004
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Apr 11, 2005 - 14:42 |
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| Quote: | | MA7 witch elf blitzed with on 7th move -> pushback follow up ->8th move made another block due to frenzy rules -> THEN took 2 gfi..ended up moving 10 squares.. |
This shouldn´t be possible afaik. Maybe you could post the match in which it happened?
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SixFootDwarf
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Apr 11, 2005 - 14:45 |
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From what I understand they changed Frenzy in the last update so that you HAVE to GFI on the second block if you're out of MA.
Am I wrong here? |
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G_Force
Joined: Aug 19, 2004
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Apr 11, 2005 - 15:33 |
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| SixFootDwarf wrote: | From what I understand they changed Frenzy in the last update so that you HAVE to GFI on the second block if you're out of MA.
Am I wrong here? |
No 6'Dwarf you are not wrong but when you see it in action the client rightly forces you to make GFI moves for the additional frenzied block but it also then allows you your normal 2GFI squares of movement in addtion (this is not right).
I can't remeber the match it happened or I would post it. If I find the time and inclination I might hunt for it amongst my resent replays. |
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jimimothybodles
Joined: Mar 31, 2004
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Apr 11, 2005 - 15:58 |
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it was vs myself in stand alone match..
but i checked it out and you do get that extra frenzy move for free.. still allowing 2gfi's after |
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SubSonic
Joined: Aug 22, 2003
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Apr 18, 2005 - 17:42 |
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read the "DifferencesFromBoardGameFAQ.txt"... its fully described there... its a feature, not a bug 
| Code: | (6) LRB 1.3 Frenzy - In the LRB Frenzy if you blitz with frenzy
and run out of movement after the first block you have the
option to GFI for the 2nd block, but you may choose not to
GFI and block. In this game all frenzy blitz moves get
two blocks. If you run out of movement after the first
block you essentially get a second block for free that costs
no movement (but you have no option to not take the block).
Basically this is because I couldn't get it working correctly
the other way. One day I hope to fix this, but for now
I don't think it should affect things much. |
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AFK_Eagle
Joined: Mar 12, 2004
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Apr 20, 2005 - 23:50 |
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As I read that part, SubSonic, it tells me that if I run out of movement DURING the frenzy-pushback-extra hit sequence, I get a second no-move free block. So the previous comments about forcing a gfi should be incorrect, I move and hit on the very last step of my movement, frenzy kicks in, I don't have to roll gfi to hit again. Now, if I'd gfi just to hit the first time, I have to roll gfi to hit the second time as well. That's been my experience. |
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LordSnotball
Joined: Nov 05, 2004
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Apr 20, 2005 - 23:55 |
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my opinion is as such... saw this in an ancient White Dwarf, dating back to the 180 odd... frenzy always follows up whenever a player they block vacates the square they were standing in... and this was in the old version when u could do blocks non-stop... though 7 continuous blocks were very dangerous! |
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