On1
Joined: Jul 12, 2004
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May 14, 2010 - 15:28 |
 
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player A has diving tackle.
player B has tentacle
player C has shadowing
player X is attempting to leave the tackle zone of A,B and C.
A
BX - - >
C
My question is, what happens when player X attempts to leave the tacklezone of player A, B and C? How many of the skills should i be able to use? Would i declare tentacle first? and if my tentacle rol fails.. could i then move on to diving tackle? and if that fails use shadowing with my last player?.. Or am i only able to select one of the skills? O_o
I have not tested how it works in the new client yet, the purpose of this post is yet again to get some facts on the table before i test it in the real world 
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Diving Tackle (Agility)
The player may use this skill after an opposing player attempts to dodge
out of any of his tackle zones. The player using this skill is Placed Prone
in the square vacated by the dodging player, but do not make an Armour
or Injury roll for them. The opposing player must then subtract 2 from his
Dodge roll for leaving the player's tackle zone. If a player is attempting to
leave the tackle zone of several players that have the Diving Tackle skill,
then only one of the opposing players may use Diving Tackle. Diving
Tackle may be used on a re-rolled dodge if not declared for use on the
first Dodge roll. Once the dodge is resolved but before any armour roll for
the opponent (if needed), the Diving Tackle Player is Placed Prone in the
square vacated by the dodging player but do not make an Armour or
Injury roll for the Diving Tackle player.
Shadowing (General)
The player may use this skill when a player performing an Action on the
opposing team moves out of any of his tackle zones for any reason. The
opposing player rolls 2D6 adding their own player’s movement allowance
and subtracting the Shadowing player's movement allowance from the
score. If the final result is 7 or less, the player with Shadowing may move
into the square vacated by the opposing player. He does not have to
make any Dodge rolls when he makes this move, and it has no effect on
his own movement in his own turn. If the final result is 8 or more, the
opposing player successfully avoids the Shadowing player and the
Shadowing player is left standing. A player may make any number of
shadowing moves per turn. If a player has left the tackle zone of several
players that have the Shadowing skill, then only one of the opposing
players may attempt to shadow him.
Tentacles (Mutation)
The player may attempt to use this skill when an opposing player
attempts to dodge or leap out of any of his tackle zones. The opposing
player rolls 2D6 adding their own player’s ST and subtracting the
Tentacles player's ST from the score. If the final result is 5 or less, then
the moving player is held firm, and his action ends immediately. If a
player attempts to leave the tackle zone of several players that have the
Tentacles ability, then only one of the opposing players may attempt to
grab him with the tentacles. |
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CircularLogic
Joined: Aug 22, 2003
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May 14, 2010 - 15:36 |
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Tents, then diving tackle, then shadowing.
Tents first, because if it works, there will be no dodge roll for diving tackle to modify. If tentacles are broken, a dodgeroll is made, which triggers DT. Shadowing is only applied, if the player actually leaves the tacklezone after a then successful dodge.
Not really that hard. |
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asharak
Joined: Nov 27, 2007
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May 14, 2010 - 15:40 |
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But can DT not result in the player A ending up prone in the square the shadower would go into were shadowing successful? |
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maysrill
Joined: Dec 29, 2008
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May 14, 2010 - 15:43 |
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| asharak wrote: | | But can DT not result in the player A ending up prone in the square the shadower would go into were shadowing successful? |
I agree, the use of DT will put the player into the vacated square, so you'd have to choose one skill or the other. If you were to use Shadowing first, a failure would at least leave the departed square vacant for the DT player. |
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On1
Joined: Jul 12, 2004
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May 14, 2010 - 15:44 |
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edit: interesting |
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James_Probert
Joined: Nov 25, 2007
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May 14, 2010 - 16:12 |
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the other key phrase in the rulebook is under dodging: | Quote: | | In order to leave a square that is in one or more opposing tackle zones, a player must dodge out of it |
This says the dodge roll (which DT is a modifier for) is made before you leave the square, and hence, if DT is triggered, shadowing cannot be used, as the shadowing player doesn't have a square to move into.
I think there's a thread on DT vs Shadowing somewhere on TFF in which it was clarified to work like this by Galak et al. |
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howlett
Joined: Mar 21, 2007
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May 16, 2010 - 10:36 |
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Quote: Galak on TFF
For the non-English speakers ... I bolded the key words that explain exactly how this works:
Shadowing: The player may use this skill when a player performing an Action on the opposing team moves out of any of his tackle zones for any reason.
Diving Tackle: The player may use this skill after an opposing player attempts to dodge out of any of his tackle zones.
Page 8: In order to leave a square that is in one or more opposing tackle zones, a player must dodge out of the square.
The attempt to dodge happens first. You don't actually move into the square you are dodging to until after the Dodge roll.
So order of operations is this:
1) Dodge roll is made to attempt to dodge
2) Diving Tackle can now be used on this roll
3) If Dodge roll is successful than he moves out of the tackle zone
4) At this point the trigger for Shadowing occurs and the player if still standing can use Shadowing.
Galak |
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Dave3
Joined: Aug 30, 2008
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May 16, 2010 - 10:54 |
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So, in complete summary, the order of actions for the move is:
1) Player X declares the move.
2) Player B decides to use tentacles or not.
3) If either Player B decides *not* to use them, or he *fails* to use them, Player X must attempt to dodge.
4) Player A now decides whether to use Diving Tackle.
5) If Player A uses DT, put him prone in the space where Player X was dodging from, if not, then don't worry.
6) Make that Dodge roll!
7) If Player A *didn't* use DT, and the space vacated by Player X is now empty, then finally Player C gets a chance to use Shadowing (if he wishes).
That's a nicely complex set of priorities! (If I got it right, that is ) |
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asharak
Joined: Nov 27, 2007
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May 16, 2010 - 11:16 |
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I think there is a mistake there Dave3...
1) Player X declares the move.
2) Player B decides to use tentacles or not.
3) If either Player B decides *not* to use them, or he *fails* to use them, Player X must attempt to dodge.
4) Make that Dodge roll!
5) Player A now decides whether to use Diving Tackle.
6) If Player A uses DT, put him prone in the space where Player X was dodging from, if not, then don't worry.
7) If Player A *didn't* use DT, and the space vacated by Player X is now empty, then finally Player C gets a chance to use Shadowing (if he wishes).
You make the dodge roll then choose to DT or not, makes it a much stronger skill. So assuming you don't just get confused you'll only end up prone if it makes them fail the dodge. However, they may have the dodge skill or a team reroll to pass it. So the only time you can have shadowing and not get to use it is if they fail the first dodge because of DT but pass at the second try... |
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On1
Joined: Jul 12, 2004
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May 16, 2010 - 11:53 |
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Well i guess this is more complex than first anticipated. Keep in mind I'm asking so that the new client will stick to the rules as they are.
Would it make a difference if all these skills were on the same player? It would be nice with more comments on this, and finally a description that contains universal truth. |
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Lakrillo
Joined: Sep 12, 2007
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May 16, 2010 - 14:16 |
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asharak have it right. It is not that complicated.
And it would not be different if the skills were on the same player. Either you go prone when using diving tackle, or you try to follow up with shadowing. A prone player could never use shadowing. It is quite clear to me at least if you just read the skills and think about at what time they come into action. |
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