pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Nov 14, 2010 - 23:43 |
 
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6. People were told early on that there was a high probability of a team wipe.
7. The team of staff agree on that a clearing of teams is the best way to go. |
This. +1 |
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regn
Joined: Sep 07, 2003
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Nov 14, 2010 - 23:43 |
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| Christer wrote: | 1. There have been a lot of matches played where people have simply tested things and not played properly.
3. A number of early bugs pushed through some strange results.
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As an active FFB player I got to say that I rarely, if ever, see any significant anomalies among FFB teams. If the worst thing that happens is that Tooks n Hooks av11 treeman gets to live on then surely that isn't a problem?
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2. The division has not been running with competitive rules. Dropped matches have been frequent, and staff has not acted on those drops in the way they would in competitive divisions.
5. Matches have been lost due to critical bugs.
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These things wouldn't matter though if there was an L division for FFB where people could play casually, rather than competing in a B/R system
| Quote: | 4. Bugs have been around that added or subtracted winnings / injuries to teams.
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Again, surely this has been a marginal phenomenon at worst?
| Quote: | | 6. People were told early on that there was a high probability of a team wipe. |
True
| Quote: | | 7. The team of staff agree on that a clearing of teams is the best way to go. |
This surely is not a reason in itself, but rather just a conclusion reached from the previous points?
Basically, I just wish that the current FFB teams were kept around so that those of us who don't play on fumbbl for ranking/bragging rights can still have casual games with other coaches using teams we've grown to like. There can't be any harm in that, can there?
edit: this is all assuming there will be a [L] division for FFB. If so - then I don't get why the current teams cant be kept around. And if there won't be an L division then uh... I guess I'll get me coat v v |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Nov 14, 2010 - 23:49 |
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Basically, I just wish that the current FFB teams were kept around so that those of us who don't play on fumbbl for ranking/bragging rights can still have casual games with other coaches using teams we've grown to like. |
Because you can't do this with a new team? |
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regn
Joined: Sep 07, 2003
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Nov 14, 2010 - 23:50 |
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| pythrr wrote: | | regn wrote: |
Basically, I just wish that the current FFB teams were kept around so that those of us who don't play on fumbbl for ranking/bragging rights can still have casual games with other coaches using teams we've grown to like. |
Because you can't do this with a new team? |
Now if you'll re-read that sentence, all the way through... |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Nov 14, 2010 - 23:53 |
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| regn wrote: | | pythrr wrote: | | regn wrote: |
Basically, I just wish that the current FFB teams were kept around so that those of us who don't play on fumbbl for ranking/bragging rights can still have casual games with other coaches using teams we've grown to like. |
Because you can't do this with a new team? |
Now if you'll re-read that sentence, all the way through... |
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Christer
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Sure, feel free to dissect and respond to the reasons all you want. I have been hearing what you guys have been saying, and in the end I had to make a call. This is truly what I believe is best for as many people as possible. As I stated many times before: I simply can't make everyone happy.
I'm fully aware that this decision will put some people off, even to a point where they leave the site. That's not something I can help, since regardless of the choices and calls I make in how to migrate, some people will be upset. In an ideal world, we wouldn't had to go through such an extended beta period. It's just how it goes sometimes and I can only do what I believe is best for the site in the long term. I assure you it hasn't been an easy decision to make and I've been putting a LOT of effort and thought into it. This is, of course, in addition to doing the pretty hard work of actually making things work at all in the first place.
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shadow46x2
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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Nov 14, 2010 - 23:55 |
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regn...
one person is not a statistic...
not to mention the division has been playing without any sort of restrictions whatsoever, and to push those existing teams into a forced restrictive(TV based) competitive division, seems a little ludicrous, don't you think?....
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regn
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Nov 14, 2010 - 23:56 |
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| Christer wrote: | Sure, feel free to dissect and respond to the reasons all you want. I have been hearing what you guys have been saying, and in the end I had to make a call. This is truly what I believe is best for as many people as possible. As I stated many times before: I simply can't make everyone happy.
I'm fully aware that this decision will put some people off, even to a point where they leave the site. That's not something I can help, since regardless of the choices and calls I make in how to migrate, some people will be upset. In an ideal world, we wouldn't had to go through such an extended beta period. It's just how it goes sometimes and I can only do what I believe is best for the site in the long term. I assure you it hasn't been an easy decision to make and I've been putting a LOT of effort and thought into it. This is, of course, in addition to doing the pretty hard work of actually making things work at all in the first place.
Anyway, this is getting long-winded, so I better stop |
Real sad to hear it. Yes, I probably will be one of those leaving the site due to the wipe. I wish you the best of luck with the development of fumbbl, I've had a lot of fun here. It's just a shame that you won't reconsider what is a really bad call. |
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regn
Joined: Sep 07, 2003
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Nov 14, 2010 - 23:58 |
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| shadow46x2 wrote: | regn...
one person is not a statistic...
not to mention the division has been playing without any sort of restrictions whatsoever, and to push those existing teams into a forced restrictive(TV based) competitive division, seems a little ludicrous, don't you think?....
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This is why I ask for them to be pushed into the new L, which for most intents ant purposes is not a competitive division but rather a place for people to hang out and play casually with whoever/whenever they want. |
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James_Probert
Joined: Nov 25, 2007
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Nov 14, 2010 - 23:59 |
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| regn wrote: | | This is why I ask for them to be pushed into the new L, which for most intents ant purposes is not a competitive division but rather a place for people to hang out and play casually with whoever/whenever they want. |
Excuse me....
Some of us consider [L] to be the most competitive division one the site. |
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shadow46x2
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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Nov 15, 2010 - 00:06 |
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um...
no regn...
[L] is a highly competitive division...yes, there are leagues of friends who play against each other a bunch of times for giggles....but some of the strongest competitive tournaments on the site are in [L]...WIL/WIBBL/SWL/Orca-Cola series....
it's not a division exclusively for "hanging out" or to "play casually with whoever/whenever they want" or however you want to put it....
also, i think i can safely say i'm not the only coach here who has used the "retire to league division" as a means to keep a team on my coach page, without retiring it....but truth be told, even doing that is a retirement of sorts..i've been here for 7 years next week, and i can't recall the last time i actually used one of my ranked teams that was transferred to league...the teams that i did that with are as good as retired...the only benefit i get from keeping them there is 1 less team that i can create towards my 30 team limit...
but here's a hint, since you're so scared of losing all of that "hard work" you put into building that team......you should try the "show retired teams" link from time to time...
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regn
Joined: Sep 07, 2003
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Nov 15, 2010 - 00:12 |
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| shadow46x2 wrote: | um...
it's not a division exclusively for "hanging out" or to "play casually with whoever/whenever they want" or however you want to put it....
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So I suppose this sort of casual play has no place on the site then?
(No, this is not a rhetorical question. I'm honestly asking)
| Quote: | also, i think i can safely say i'm not the only coach here who has used the "retire to league division" as a means to keep a team on my coach page, without retiring it....but truth be told, even doing that is a retirement of sorts..i've been here for 7 years next week, and i can't recall the last time i actually used one of my ranked teams that was transferred to league...the teams that i did that with are as good as retired...the only benefit i get from keeping them there is 1 less team that i can create towards my 30 team limit...
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I honestly don't know what you're trying to say here exactly. I play with a loose collection of friends who don't like the cut throat stalling, fouling and winning at all cost that permeates [R] so we all used [L] teams to get away from that and have a chance to play each other, before we all started playing FFB
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but here's a hint, since you're so scared of losing all of that "hard work" you put into building that team......you should try the "show retired teams" link from time to time...
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Again, I don't know what point you're trying to make. I haven't used the term "hard work" so please don't quote me as if I have. As for checking out retired teams, I don't see the point? I have lots of retired teams which I have ditched because I didn't enjoy playing with them, but I don't see what bearing that has on anything I've written. |
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RandomOracle
Joined: Jan 11, 2004
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Nov 15, 2010 - 00:17 |
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I don't really see the downside of allowing current FFB teams to transfer to [L]. Private league admins can always decide not to accept those teams to their competitive leagues. |
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regn
Joined: Sep 07, 2003
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Nov 15, 2010 - 00:19 |
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| RandomOracle wrote: | | I don't really see the downside of allowing current FFB teams to transfer to [L]. Private league admins can always decide not to accept those teams to their competitive leagues. |
This is my thoughs exactly, but since Christer has made it clear that he won't reconsider I guess it's pointless try to to make this (otherwise obvious) case. |
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Mr_Foulscumm
Joined: Mar 05, 2005
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Nov 15, 2010 - 00:19 |
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| RandomOracle wrote: | | I don't really see the downside of allowing current FFB teams to transfer to [L]. Private league admins can always decide not to accept those teams to their competitive leagues. |
I also fail to see the problem. |
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