JellyBelly
Joined: Jul 08, 2009
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Oct 08, 2016 - 01:42 |
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I have a question:
I got a Blitz! kick-off result against someone I played a couple of months back and they claimed at the time that, according to the BB rules, you're not supposed to be able to use a team reroll during a Blitz!, because it technically doesn't count as your normal turn. However, the client does allow it, which he claimed was a bug and so he said that I shouldn't use a team reroll, even if I had the opportunity (because it would be considered exploiting a bug).
In the actual game it didn't matter anyway, as I didn't need to reroll anything and I used a High Elf catcher to catch the ball, who had a skill reroll anyway. But, I'm curious as to whether he was correct (at the time I was a bit skeptical).
The rules say that a team reroll can be used 'on your turn', but it describes a Blitz! as an extra turn for the kicking player. So, it seems like using a team RR should be allowed. However, this thread makes a good point that the ball doesn't actually land until after the Blitz! turn is ended, in which case the catch doesn't occur during the Blitz! turn.
So, it seems to me that the right interpretation is that a team reroll can be used during a Blitz! turn to reroll something like a dodge or gfi, but you shouldn't be able to use a team rr to reroll a catch of the ball. However, the client does apparently allow a team reroll to be used to catch the ball, which seems to be a bug.
So, is my interpretation correct and, if so, is using a team reroll on the catch roll of a Blitz! considered exploitation of a bug? Just curious what the 'official' line is on this. |
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JellyBelly
Joined: Jul 08, 2009
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Oct 08, 2016 - 01:47 |
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Sorry, I just read the kick-off table again more closely and it does explicitly say that you can use team rerolls during a Blitz! (my bad) So, I guess the question is just about the catching then, and what the FUMBBL stance is. Thanks! |
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JellyBelly
Joined: Jul 08, 2009
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Oct 08, 2016 - 01:51 |
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Ok, looks like I'm gradually answering my own question here ..
BB Rulebook wrote: | Team Re-Rolls and the Kick-off Table
You may not re-roll the result on the Kick-Off table with a team
re-roll. In addition, subsequent rolls from Kick-Off events such as
the D3 roll for Brilliant Coaching or D6 for Riot may not be rerolled.
A team re-roll may not be used for any catch roll when the
ball lands: however, players may use the Catch or Pro skill to try
to re-roll the catch roll. |
So, clearly you're not supposed to be able to use a team rr for the catch on a Blitz!. So, the only bit of my question that is left is - is doing it considered exploitation?
(I should really rtfrb next time before I post .. lol) |
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ArrestedDevelopment
Joined: Sep 14, 2015
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Oct 08, 2016 - 01:55 |
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It's just the catch.
The Blitz! turn is an extra turn for your team, which you can of course, use your team reroll in. However, the kick-off itself takes place after your turn has ended.
You can't use a team reroll on the catch therefore, because it isn't your team's turn (the kick-off itself isn't actually anyone's turn), but you can use skill-based rerolls (eg. pro, catch).
The client gives you the option to use the team reroll for the catch. It should be ignored. |
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JackassRampant
Joined: Feb 26, 2011
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Oct 08, 2016 - 02:38 |
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I did this in ignorance just recently. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Oct 08, 2016 - 03:14 |
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client allows it. this is covered under clent differences, no? everyone RRs the opening catch. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Oct 08, 2016 - 03:19 |
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ArrestedDevelopment
Joined: Sep 14, 2015
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Oct 08, 2016 - 03:25 |
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pythrr wrote: | client allows it. this is covered under clent differences, no? everyone RRs the opening catch. |
Might be a client "difference", but it's still technically against the rules. This is the rules forum, right?!
And no, I don't RR it :p
An unnamed security monkey has told me doing so can get a game canceled on request. |
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JellyBelly
Joined: Jul 08, 2009
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Oct 08, 2016 - 03:46 |
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ArrestedDevelopment wrote: | An unnamed security monkey has told me doing so can get a game canceled on request. |
It is a bug, but it might be a bit harsh to cancel games. Seems like many people may not be aware and would do it without even thinking because the client allows it.
Edit: does the client allow team rerolls for catching on all kick-offs, or just on a Blitz!? |
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JellyBelly
Joined: Jul 08, 2009
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Oct 08, 2016 - 03:53 |
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FUMBBL Rules wrote: | Abusing obvious bugs for your own benefit is not allowed. |
I guess it depends on whether it's classed as an 'obvious bug' .. ? |
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Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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Oct 08, 2016 - 04:19 |
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ArrestedDevelopment wrote: | pythrr wrote: | client allows it. this is covered under clent differences, no? everyone RRs the opening catch. |
Might be a client "difference", but it's still technically against the rules. This is the rules forum, right?!
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I think this needs clarification on how we are supposed to handle it.
If it is a genuine bug it means we are not allowed to re-roll.
If it is a rule-difference it means we are just handling it differently and are allowed to re-roll. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Oct 08, 2016 - 04:48 |
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i was under the impression that client differences were not bugs, and should be considered part of fumbbl environment. would love to get clarification on this one! |
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xnoelx
Joined: Jun 05, 2012
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Oct 08, 2016 - 05:43 |
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If you are aware of it, you are exploiting the bug. If you aren't, you aren't. |
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Kryten
Joined: Sep 02, 2003
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This is not a client difference. This is a bug. Coaches should not use a team reroll to catch the kickoff on a Blitz kick off result. That said - a lot of coaches are unaware and reasonably expect the client to get this correct. We tell coaches to click "no" for the team reroll. |
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JellyBelly
Joined: Jul 08, 2009
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Oct 08, 2016 - 15:19 |
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Ok, thanks for clarifying that, Kryten.
xnoelx wrote: | If you are aware of it, you are exploiting the bug. If you aren't, you aren't. |
It's kind of hard to prove one way or the other though, if a particular coach is aware or not (unless they've posted in this thread ). It would be good if there was a list somewhere of which client bugs are considered 'obvious bugs', which could result in a game being cancelled, if they are exploited. |
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