Kam
Joined: Nov 06, 2012
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Feb 12, 2020 - 15:17 |
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Well, it's a simple question, and you can shame me for asking but...
You can't lose the same stat more than twice. But how does it work when you previously had the same +stat?
A very, very, concrete exemple (and no, I won't retire him nomatter what): https://fumbbl.com/p/player?player_id=10390331
+MA*2, +AG*2
Will he be immune to stat losses at MA5AG3, or at MA3AG1?
EDIT - And by that I mean, how does it work on FUMMBL app of course. |
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ArthurWynne
Joined: Sep 23, 2015
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Feb 12, 2020 - 15:27 |
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I am pretty sure it's the former. Stat busts don't "cancel" stat ups, they are counted independently. |
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MattDakka
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Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 12, 2020 - 15:53 |
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No characteristic may be reduced by more than 2 points or below a value of 1.
Any injuries that could reduce it further are ignored. |
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Kam
Joined: Nov 06, 2012
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Feb 12, 2020 - 15:55 |
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That would be good news. Again, I won't retire this guys till he dies, nomatter how a TV bloat he is. But I wanted to know whether I should pick -MA or not next time rolls -MA/apo niggle.
EDIT - He's only lost -MA so far but you see the picture. |
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MattDakka
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Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 12, 2020 - 16:03 |
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What don't you understand?
Let's assume a MA 5 Halfling gets +2 MA (so, he has MA 7):
if he suffers -1 MA he has MA 6;
if he suffers -2 MA he has MA 5;
if he suffers -3 MA or further he still has MA 5, i.e. he's immune from MA stat loss when he drops to MA 5. |
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koadah
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Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 12, 2020 - 17:02 |
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Hmm. That is not the way I understand it. If I am reading you correctly.
Quote: | No characteristic may ever be increased by more than 2 points over
its starting value |
I'd say no immunity. You keep going up and down as long as you don't go to more than +/-2 or over 10 or under 1
To me, the guy can still go down as far as 3.
I dunno what Fumbbl does. Does anyone have a +/-3 ma player? |
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Timetis
Joined: Mar 31, 2014
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Feb 12, 2020 - 17:12 |
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koadah
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Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 12, 2020 - 18:38 |
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NickNutria
Joined: Jul 25, 2006
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Feb 12, 2020 - 18:57 |
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Kryten
Joined: Sep 02, 2003
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I had such a player, and at the time the interpretation was bugged
https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=player&op=view&player_id=7589033
"With his health failing, Achilles pressed on toward Legendary status. Match 66 brought yet another leg injury, and answered the question we all had about a player with -MA -MA -MA +MA - Fumbbl displayed him with MA6, but FFB calculated him to have MA7. Achilles wrote a bug report about it." |
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spinball
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Joined: Jul 01, 2004
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Feb 13, 2020 - 12:38 |
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if a Saurus Rolled +ag after getting suffering a -ag injury would the saurus have a 1 agility or a 2 agility? |
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MattDakka
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Joined: Oct 09, 2007
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Feb 13, 2020 - 12:49 |
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spinball wrote: | if a Saurus Rolled +ag after getting suffering a -ag injury would the saurus have a 1 agility or a 2 agility? |
"No characteristic may be reduced by more than 2 points or below a value of 1.
Any injuries that could reduce it further are ignored."
According to the rule as it is written, an AG 1 Saurus ignores any -AG injury, so he should have AG 2, while an AG 2 Saurus could lose AG and drop to AG 1, of course (and at that stage, he would ignore any -AG decreases).
Otherwise, the rule is just badly written.
In the rule there is no mention of total algebric calculation of stacking bonus and malus points.
If algebric calculation were involved, no injury would be ignored.
This is what logical analysis of the rule suggests to me. |
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koadah
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Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 13, 2020 - 17:21 |
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IMO, that is open to interpretation. See my Quote earlier.
I don't think that means "ignored" as in "discarded". It means "ignored" as in "cannot take the value below 1"
See this dude. It may work differently because I faked it, but I doubt it.
I gave him -ag. Of course he stayed at ag 1. I gave him +ag. He's still ag 1.
I consider that correct.
The -ag is not discarded. It "ignored" as in it just doesn't take the value below 1. |
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ArrestedDevelopment
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Joined: Sep 14, 2015
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Feb 13, 2020 - 18:43 |
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That's an incorrect interpretation (according to Galak, multiple times on TFF) and a bug then. |
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Badoek
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Joined: May 17, 2009
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Feb 13, 2020 - 20:08 |
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I think we can safely conclude that we're firing way too many players with stat losses. Otherwise we'd have known! |
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