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Ihsan997



Joined: Sep 12, 2021

Post   Posted: Sep 12, 2021 - 06:33 Reply with quote Back to top

Hello! I’m a long time lurker, and a longer time BB fanatic, but work and family took precedence for quite a bit of time; I haven’t played since the 90s. I’m also going back to school at night, so realistically speaking, I may not play active matches until early 2022. That being said, I’m looking forward to observing matches during my free time and seeing what I can pick up from other members here.
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Sep 12, 2021 - 09:55 Reply with quote Back to top

Welcome!

If any free time does turn up, jump right in!

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KevinDurant



Joined: Sep 21, 2021

Post   Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 10:39 Reply with quote Back to top

Hi everyone! very excited to be a member of the FUMBBL community
BeanBelly



Joined: Nov 14, 2019

Post   Posted: Sep 21, 2021 - 10:50 Reply with quote Back to top

You are very welcome KevinDurant - check out the help page from the top menu - loads of useful info
Parn_Star



Joined: Sep 09, 2021

Post   Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 05:51 Reply with quote Back to top

Hi everyone, I'm Parn_Star. Normally I keep to myself, and stay quiet just getting the feel of things, but something happened on here today, and it has been bothering me for awhile, and I'm unable to shake it off. Normally when I speak about it, and get it off my chest, I feel a bit better.

In the beginning of October, I was checking out the Daemons of Malal Team, and started to get more interested in Malal, and started to see if there was a Malal Team on the FUMBBL Secret Team. Sure enough there was, but unable to play because of Special Rules. Hell, I was unable to even look at the team roster. When I looked at the Team for the 2016 rules, I was able to see the roster and the special rule, and saw that the special rule was extremely broken, and the roster needed to be changed up a bit.

So after a few days of thinking and making a updated and revamp roster for Malal, I noticed by the team that there was a question mark on it, so I clicked it, and it gave me a blank section to describe 2020 Malal Team. When I saw this, I just took the ball and ran with it. I gave my reasoning of why I updated the roster this way, the two new positionals that I added, the reason why I think the special rule should be drop, and so on. I made sure that I credited the original people that created the team, that this is not my idea, but improving someone else's idea, and trying to make it as a playable team. After all of that, I noticed that I was able to edit the page, so I went back to the 2016 Malal Team, and sure enough I could change their page as well. So I took notes on what to do to make a proper roster list, grabbed the Players Pics and Icons that was originally there, giving updated of what I have changed and what not. Like the Team was mostly a Work in Progress, and I was unable to find out how I could get this Team out of the NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF SPECIAL RULES section, to the READY TO GO LIVE or WORK IN PROGRESS section.

Now, today, after having the weekend to think about upping the price on one of the positionals, I noticed that all the work that I did on the 2020 Malal Team was resetted, and when I looked at the recent changes that was made on October 18, someone made a change to the 2020 FUMBBL Secret team with the summary of Orphaning unauthorized roster. Honestly, my heart sank, as the work that I put into trying to make this team as a playable team, was just erased. Like I can understand if it something that I wasn't suppose to have access to, but wouldn't an admin staff contact me, informing that I over step my bounds, or someone thinking that I'm a bot because I have no info on my profile on here or some thing.

I was able to save a pdf of the roster of the last update that I did, but still it sucks, as now I feel like that my small contribution on here, no body wanted, or contacting me saying saying what I did is not the correct way of doing it, and I should contact these people going forward kind of thing, because honestly, sometimes I don't know what I'm doing, or where I should go. If I see an opening and a chance to do something, I'll take it, even if it might not be the right order of doing stuff.

Anyways, sorry for the long winded post, like I said, I just needed to get this off my chest as it was bothering me for pretty much all day. Hopefully one day, I make the dive of doing some online games on here.

Thanks.
koadah



Joined: Mar 30, 2005

Post   Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 07:58 Reply with quote Back to top

Hi, welcome.

Secret League rosters are (mostly) created and maintained by the coach Garion. They are considered to be his.

Changes to those rosters are not considered "official" unless he makes them.
As Garion has not been on the site much recently, Razmus and I have set up [SL]2020. As we do not know Garion's intent we have made minimal changes, only changing what appeared to be clear errors. Some "clear errors" remain but have been left as there are signs that Garion could be back in business before too long.

The help pages are built on a wiki. Anyone can edit them. But, it is expected that coaches use their judgement when deciding what to edit. Generally, be very wary of updating other people's pages.

If you want to work on someone else's rosters, please create your own page and copy the original text into your new page. You can then work on your own version as you wish. You could then put a small note on the original page linking to your page.

You should back up anything important that you do on a wiki. Anyone could edit it and replace it with a load of Britney Spears songs.

I don't know who reverted your pages but I thank them.

If you have a version of the roster than can work in the current version of the client, I'd like to see it.

Good luck.

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C0ddlefish



Joined: Sep 17, 2019

Post   Posted: Oct 19, 2021 - 08:14 Reply with quote Back to top

Hi Parn Star, I saw all the stuff you wrote for the Malal team and it was great to see someone put some real thought into what that Roster could be.

Probably what isn't entirely clear for those new to he site is it's largely wiki based. So if I wanted to I could right now edit the official Roster for Snotlings to given to them all Strength 7. Eventually someone would find that and wind it back.

With Secret League teams, I understand there is still a process for how they get built up. Garion, Razmus and Koadah would be the 3 names that spring to mind that have a bit of oversight to the rosters. Fundamentally all the rosters on that wiki will likely have been though a significant degree of playtesting before being documented.....even those in development or with special rules.

So don't take the fact your roster was wound back as a critique of its quality or logic, simply that a number of private leagues are using, or have used, that Roster as defined in 2016 (https://fumbbl.com/p/team?id=8717)
it would be very confusing to have a new 'uncontrolled' version pop up without warning.

So don't be disheartened, it not clearly signposted how all this works. Honestly the best thing to do would be join the Fummbl Discord which is much more active for BB/Fummbl chat than these forums, and if you want to actually try out your proposed Roster there are placed where you might be able to do that. For example https://fumbbl.com/p/group&group=12551&op=view

Hope that helps
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