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eranor



Joined: Sep 08, 2021

Post   Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 13:42 Reply with quote Back to top

Did I find a bug or did I misunderstand how assists work?

This game
https://fumbbl.com/p/match?id=4358494

Nurgle, 2nd turn 2nd half. Pestigor #11 tries to block Snot #16 but only gets 2 dice. Why? I count a +1 assist on each side so the result should still be st3 vs st1?

Same story 3rd turn 2nd half. Pestigor #6 blocks snot #17.
Candlejack



Joined: Aug 02, 2003

Post   Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 14:00 Reply with quote Back to top

If both sides get an assist it is st4 vs st2.

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Shushnik



Joined: Feb 27, 2006

Post   Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 16:26 Reply with quote Back to top

Assists always add to base strength. They do not cancel each other.

3+1 vs 1+1.

4 vs 2 is a two die block, because the greater strength is not more than double the lesser.
MiBasse



Joined: Dec 04, 2004

Post   Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 19:01 Reply with quote Back to top

Now, I didn't watch, so I don't know if Guard was involved, but they *would* have cancelled each other out, if the player with the St3 player had used their assist to mark the other assist instead, as players can not assist blocks if marked by another opposing player *unless* they have guard.
Shushnik



Joined: Feb 27, 2006

Post   Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 19:06 Reply with quote Back to top

You either give an assist or you don't.

If you give an assist, it adds to the base strength. It does not nullify an opposing assist.
MiBasse



Joined: Dec 04, 2004

Post   Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 19:09 Reply with quote Back to top

Shushnik wrote:
You either give an assist or you don't.

If you give an assist, it adds to the base strength. It does not nullify an opposing assist.


You nullify an assist, if you mark the player that offers the assist with another player not involved in the block. In that case there's no +St involved.

Preventing an assist = nullify an assist.

EDIT. It's largely not important - I was not contradicting any of the posts by other people, I was just clarifying to OP, why they might have misunderstood how assists work.
Shushnik



Joined: Feb 27, 2006

Post   Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 19:15 Reply with quote Back to top

The player assisting either can or cannot assist.

Once that is determined, opposing assists are added to their player's base strength. They do not nullify each other.
sann0638



Joined: Aug 09, 2010

Post   Posted: Jan 19, 2022 - 22:06 Reply with quote Back to top

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLyLiXEkTgM&list=PL66e87BczVUAIM4v_QIiWPxJgOt29XfK9&index=2

How assists work!

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MiBasse



Joined: Dec 04, 2004

Post   Posted: Jan 20, 2022 - 02:18 Reply with quote Back to top

Shushnik wrote:
The player assisting either can or cannot assist.

Once that is determined, opposing assists are added to their player's base strength. They do not nullify each other.


I never claimed they did. As I mentioned, I was not offering a correction to your point, I was pointing out what kind of wording might have confused OP.
stej



Joined: Jan 05, 2009

Post   Posted: Jan 20, 2022 - 10:12 Reply with quote Back to top

You literally state that they cancel each other out in your first post. You have stated some confusing wording then claim you are pointing out confusion.
As Sir Topham would say "you have caused confusion and delay"
C0ddlefish



Joined: Sep 17, 2019

Post   Posted: Jan 20, 2022 - 10:17 Reply with quote Back to top

stej wrote:
As Sir Topham would say "you have caused confusion and delay"


Yes!!!! Very Happy
MiBasse



Joined: Dec 04, 2004

Post   Posted: Jan 20, 2022 - 13:08 Reply with quote Back to top

stej wrote:
You literally state that they cancel each other out in your first post. You have stated some confusing wording then claim you are pointing out confusion.
As Sir Topham would say "you have caused confusion and delay"


I state that if using the player that was used to assist to instead mark the opposing player assisting, the original assist would be nullified. I did not say that if both players get an assist, they get cancelled out.

Those are two very seperate statements.
Shushnik



Joined: Feb 27, 2006

Post   Posted: Jan 20, 2022 - 16:41 Reply with quote Back to top

MiBasse wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
The player assisting either can or cannot assist.

Once that is determined, opposing assists are added to their player's base strength. They do not nullify each other.


I never claimed they did. As I mentioned, I was not offering a correction to your point, I was pointing out what kind of wording might have confused OP.


The original questioner clearly thought that two opposing assists canceled each other out.

So I repeat with each post, once it is determined that each side gets 1 assist, each side adds that assist to its player's base strength to determine the final strengths to determine the block dice.
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