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2018-01-23 22:49:15
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Maximum BloodBowl Tollerance?
So between fumbbl, tabletop, and Cyanide's BB, I'd say I've played close to 1500 games of blood bowl. I've spectated around 3 games for every game I've played, so thats 4500 games of blood bowl I've watched. Around 6000 games of blood bowl floating around in my head.
I dunno about anyone else who has reached a similar number of games, or who has an even higher number of games as me, but doesn't it all kinda just blur together into set patterns at this point?
I must say I haven't seen everything possible in blood bowl, but it's certainly been a long time since I've seen anything unique.
What seems like a good tollerance level of blood bowl before it stops being fun? How do you keep it fun after you feel like you've done everything?
I dunno about anyone else who has reached a similar number of games, or who has an even higher number of games as me, but doesn't it all kinda just blur together into set patterns at this point?
I must say I haven't seen everything possible in blood bowl, but it's certainly been a long time since I've seen anything unique.
What seems like a good tollerance level of blood bowl before it stops being fun? How do you keep it fun after you feel like you've done everything?
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Posted by Dominik on 2018-01-23 22:57:49
Specating is not the same as playing, you spectate with lesser concentration and do not suffor or enjoy the happenings as you would if you played by yourself.
It's obvious that there is not a general tolerance level.
While I'd say that the median is around 5 games, because most players stop playing after the first few games, many who overcome this point and grew addiction play a few hundred games. It certainly is a small minority of people who play 500 games or more.
It's obvious that there is not a general tolerance level.
While I'd say that the median is around 5 games, because most players stop playing after the first few games, many who overcome this point and grew addiction play a few hundred games. It certainly is a small minority of people who play 500 games or more.
Posted by spelledaren on 2018-01-23 23:03:43
Every game seems to bring something new, even if the general outlines are the same. I do try to play by my gut and not overthink things, and that might help with it feeling fresh.
Played perhaps 2000 games, about 200 FtF. I don't spectate as much as you do, but I've surely watched a hundred games or something.
Played perhaps 2000 games, about 200 FtF. I don't spectate as much as you do, but I've surely watched a hundred games or something.
Posted by koadah on 2018-01-23 23:41:31
I hear that "a change is as good as a rest". ;)
https://fumbbl.com/help:SecretLeague
https://fumbbl.com/help:SecretLeague
Posted by grant85 on 2018-01-24 03:14:55
set a new goal. play all 24/26 teams. win a tourney with a specific race. dont just float around just going for random wins. set a few achievable goals...thats my thing
Posted by mrt1212 on 2018-01-24 03:25:45
Xyon, great question!
Having played about 3000 games I have experienced many ups and downs
1. There is fatigue that sets in for me when I play too much too rapidly. I wouldnt have gotten to 3000 games without doing this more than I care to admit but there is a definite diminishing returns for me playing too many games in a day (more than 4) or playing too many times in a week (more than 15-20). I start getting impatient and try getting to the good stuff and start treating it less like a strategy game and more like a slot machine.
2. Yes, patterns set in and THAT is why eventually most can get good enough at BB to be comfortable and confident in the lionshare of their matches with their preferred team. On a long enough timeline a coach will start recognizing and remembering and subconsciously invoking a host of situational similar patterns and drawing on the experience of previous of outcomes in an effort to best intuit how to play a situation. The incredible thing is this can be a relatively short process for some coaches, or not a process at all, this just clicks for them once they understand the full parameters of the game. For others, like me, it takes time, focus, and a genuine effort to ignore impulsive ideas to do my best. Seeing a mess load of patterns and situations with my preferred high elves helps by reducing the time and cognitive load it takes deciding what to do and when. I just kinda have a feel for bad, okay, better plays without having to labor over the order
3. It gets fun in spite of this when you start thinking "What can I do better than I do already?" or thinking "What is a skill that people might have overlooked at one time" and seeing the mileage out of that. Or playing a team where Pro is a mandatory first skill and you aren't allowed rerolls. Or trying to play every combo of teams in Box. I mean, the limits to this game are your imagination and tolerance for focus and repetition. I mean, if you've gotten to this point then dice, both good and bad shouldn't even faze you.
4. Don't spectate games unless it's meaningful in some way. Why be a hostage to other people's bad ideas?
Having played about 3000 games I have experienced many ups and downs
1. There is fatigue that sets in for me when I play too much too rapidly. I wouldnt have gotten to 3000 games without doing this more than I care to admit but there is a definite diminishing returns for me playing too many games in a day (more than 4) or playing too many times in a week (more than 15-20). I start getting impatient and try getting to the good stuff and start treating it less like a strategy game and more like a slot machine.
2. Yes, patterns set in and THAT is why eventually most can get good enough at BB to be comfortable and confident in the lionshare of their matches with their preferred team. On a long enough timeline a coach will start recognizing and remembering and subconsciously invoking a host of situational similar patterns and drawing on the experience of previous of outcomes in an effort to best intuit how to play a situation. The incredible thing is this can be a relatively short process for some coaches, or not a process at all, this just clicks for them once they understand the full parameters of the game. For others, like me, it takes time, focus, and a genuine effort to ignore impulsive ideas to do my best. Seeing a mess load of patterns and situations with my preferred high elves helps by reducing the time and cognitive load it takes deciding what to do and when. I just kinda have a feel for bad, okay, better plays without having to labor over the order
3. It gets fun in spite of this when you start thinking "What can I do better than I do already?" or thinking "What is a skill that people might have overlooked at one time" and seeing the mileage out of that. Or playing a team where Pro is a mandatory first skill and you aren't allowed rerolls. Or trying to play every combo of teams in Box. I mean, the limits to this game are your imagination and tolerance for focus and repetition. I mean, if you've gotten to this point then dice, both good and bad shouldn't even faze you.
4. Don't spectate games unless it's meaningful in some way. Why be a hostage to other people's bad ideas?
Posted by tussock on 2018-01-24 03:46:51
Try to win more, in general.
Like, win a brawl :), win a rumble :), win an XFL :), win a league on here :), build a good team for a major and win one of those :(. Then try it with harder teams, win a brawl with frogs :), vamps :), even stunties :(.
If you're really keen, fill the grid, or get a team to 100 and then to 1000 games (and get better with them as you go along), or work on filling the box grid.
Fun, like everything, it's about setting goals and achieving them. Go badge hunting, there's a lot of badges, make a fouling team and get 1000 fouls with them, beat that completely insane backward passing record (forward passing is over-rated), or try something of your own like a lineman team, or pass the ball every turn for 100 games, or one turn score every receive, or surf a player every game, or whatever.
Find something to do, do it, and then find something else to do.
Like, win a brawl :), win a rumble :), win an XFL :), win a league on here :), build a good team for a major and win one of those :(. Then try it with harder teams, win a brawl with frogs :), vamps :), even stunties :(.
If you're really keen, fill the grid, or get a team to 100 and then to 1000 games (and get better with them as you go along), or work on filling the box grid.
Fun, like everything, it's about setting goals and achieving them. Go badge hunting, there's a lot of badges, make a fouling team and get 1000 fouls with them, beat that completely insane backward passing record (forward passing is over-rated), or try something of your own like a lineman team, or pass the ball every turn for 100 games, or one turn score every receive, or surf a player every game, or whatever.
Find something to do, do it, and then find something else to do.
Posted by grunth on 2018-01-24 07:43:36
for my part, i try to play different races and ONLY in box (even if i play flings and gobs in ranked, i am not brave enough to play these rosters in da box lol).
Take the fun ! :)
Take the fun ! :)
Posted by keggiemckill on 2018-01-24 09:50:01
I saw a Bull Centaur with Diving Catch today, to help with Hand offs. Thats was new thing.
Posted by Strider84 on 2018-01-24 12:22:51
Except that diving catch only works with passes :-)
I've activated all 24 races simultaneously in box for a couple 100 games, played 100 fling box games, tried to win a major with Humans
I've activated all 24 races simultaneously in box for a couple 100 games, played 100 fling box games, tried to win a major with Humans
Posted by MattDakka on 2018-01-24 12:45:06
"What seems like a good tollerance level of blood bowl before it stops being fun?"
Some people get bored after few games, other people keep playing after more than 13,000 matches.
"How do you keep it fun after you feel like you've done everything?"
I try to achieve goals.
Become Legend with all the races in the Box and filling the Box grid with all the races.
Some people get bored after few games, other people keep playing after more than 13,000 matches.
"How do you keep it fun after you feel like you've done everything?"
I try to achieve goals.
Become Legend with all the races in the Box and filling the Box grid with all the races.
Posted by JellyBelly on 2018-01-24 13:01:59
+1 to trying out Secret League. It's quite a refreshing take on BB, with a huge number of new, custom teams to try out :)
Posted by ArrestedDevelopment on 2018-01-24 15:20:48
When I go through a fatigue time, I activate/play only when I know I want a *game*. That I can sit down and regardless of matchup, have a decent time.
I know I'm getting sick of BB when I find something to make me regret an activation/game in every possible pairing - whether it's TV/race/coach ability; whatever, at that point all of the things I'm blaming are actually irrelevant - I just don't want to admit to myself that actually I'd rather not play.
A break of a few months often helps. And occasionally I give myself projects to do, just so the on-field (or off-field) results aren't the be-all.
I know I'm getting sick of BB when I find something to make me regret an activation/game in every possible pairing - whether it's TV/race/coach ability; whatever, at that point all of the things I'm blaming are actually irrelevant - I just don't want to admit to myself that actually I'd rather not play.
A break of a few months often helps. And occasionally I give myself projects to do, just so the on-field (or off-field) results aren't the be-all.
Posted by Cloggy on 2018-01-24 17:23:24
Playing this game purely for winz does get a bit dull in the end. For me the answer has always been projects. I filled the grid (Ranked) three times and been otherwise engaged in projects to gather completions, passing yards, get to 100 game with and against each race and so forth.
Posted by Arktoris on 2018-01-25 00:10:18
"How do you keep it fun after you feel like you've done everything? "
#1 to thine own-self, be true. Don't pick a tier 1 team and power build while playing boring cliche tactics just because it statistically is the most effective.
Pick a team that best matches your totem spirit, pick skills that match who you are, and play with the tactics that best fit who you are. The "fluff" isn't fluff...it's 50% of the game and essential. Add enough "fluff" to give your team life. It'll jump off the spreadsheet in 3D and entertain you for years if you do.
#2 find opponents that chat, friendly, and willing to give a good game being sometimes the mouse, and sometimes the cat. Do the same.
#3 enjoy E.L.F. or some other goal. This makes every game matter.
#1 to thine own-self, be true. Don't pick a tier 1 team and power build while playing boring cliche tactics just because it statistically is the most effective.
Pick a team that best matches your totem spirit, pick skills that match who you are, and play with the tactics that best fit who you are. The "fluff" isn't fluff...it's 50% of the game and essential. Add enough "fluff" to give your team life. It'll jump off the spreadsheet in 3D and entertain you for years if you do.
#2 find opponents that chat, friendly, and willing to give a good game being sometimes the mouse, and sometimes the cat. Do the same.
#3 enjoy E.L.F. or some other goal. This makes every game matter.
Posted by Macavity on 2018-01-25 19:17:15
Arktoris is right about everything, as usual.