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2009-05-23 20:24:21
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Baccarat and the Afterlife
As someone who frequents casinos, I witness a certain phenomenon of the human mind daily. The best example of this I can name offhand is an integral part of the table card game baccarat.

In the game of baccarat as dealt in Vegas, the player does nothing. He places his bet and just observes the dealer whips out 4-6 cards and a winner is determined. It's like "War", basically, and you bet on whether the "left" set of cards will win or the "right". All the player of this game does decides is on which hand they will bet on. There is absolutely no other complication to this game at all from the player's standpoint.

However, if one observed the game of baccarat without knowing this, one would think otherwise. Huddled around the average baccarat table are around a dozen small, usually Chinese men and women busily scratching the previous results of hands past. These are the exact cards that were drawn, often from hours and hours just gone by, and each player keeps their own score even though the guy next to them has the same thing written down. The players of this game believe there is a pattern in the cards that one can find and follow to riches.

Pens and notecards are used to make the recordings. The pens are double-sided so one can write in red or black ink to signify which side, what suit, and what number came out and won on a given hand. The notecards have gridded charts for easy score keeping. Who do you suppose supplies all the cards and pens which fuel this mysticism, of which thousands are gone through daily in every casino with baccarat? The casino does, of course, and at considerable expense in production, shipping and manpower. This is because they are the only ones that stand to benefit.

I personally theorize that baccarat has reached such a degree of the sudden, serious, catalytic, and decisive as the rapid gain or loss of U.S. capital, that people will not accept a simple explanation and result thereof - in this case, that they've fallen into the most brainless moneytrap ever devised to hit the casino floor.

No, no. The answer is that their mysticism was calibrated incorrectly. They'll return tomorrow and fix it. They've invented an explanation for their loss that is easier to accept and recover from, even if it will continue to grip and control them for as long as they accept such falsities.

People did the same thing with death thousands of years ago, and much of that mysticism persists to this day. But as long as someone stands to profit, there will always be scorecards and pens provided for those that want them.

(Added later on:)
The point is, people won't take a simple answer. They'll take the one that's more comforting. They'll spin webs to no end, complicate it, and harm themselves in the process. This extends far beyond gambling. Religion is a peerless example.
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Posted by DonTomaso on 2009-05-23 20:41:20
Interesting point of view.

There are suckers games, like Craps and Baccarat where you'll lose, no matter your system. In the long run the odds are against you.

Try sitting by the Black Jack taking notes, and see how fast you'll get thrown out.
Or analyzing the wheel of a roulette-table. You're out of there fast.
Why? Because there you can actually beat the relatively small house edge.
But, for every one winner there are a thousand losers...

Like sharks around wounded baby seals they are.... greedy moneygrabbing corporations. Beat them at their own game... not at the slotmachines, craps or baccarat.
Posted by Russo on 2009-05-23 21:13:00

Darn I thought this was a biography of Burt...you know the one that wrote "Do you know the way to San Jose"

:P

Posted by DonTomaso on 2009-05-23 21:50:18
Haha! Russo....

The good old Burt. Him, and Barry Manilow, never goes out of fashion.. :)
Posted by Chrome_ghoul on 2009-05-23 22:13:55
For a split second I thought this was Burt's obituary! Gave me quite a fright. The good read more than made up for it though.
Posted by Brother-Fu on 2009-05-23 23:47:36

Burt is maybe, besides McCarthny/Lennon, the greatest songwriter of all times!

Posted by Russo on 2009-05-24 00:16:56

Eat my shorts Brother-Fu :D

There are plenty of great song writers that have written better songs than the Beatles. I think they are OK but nothing special.
Posted by SillySod on 2009-05-24 05:05:44
Its possible that one or two of them are looking for repetitions caused by inherrently non-random card shuffling techniques. I kind of doubt it though :)
Posted by EdgeDante on 2009-05-24 05:38:14
Don-
Card counting is obviously forbidden in blackjack, but as far as roulette goes, you can sit there and write all the results if you like - but in most modernized casinos, there's actually a scoreboard that shows the past 20 or so rolls anyway. I also know this Indian guy that uses a baccarat scorecard to keep score himself.

That doesn't help either. He loses all the time.
Posted by Gromrilram on 2009-05-24 06:08:02
roulette has the same amount of influence of the player as baccarat.
none.

but, you made me curious, i didnt get where the casino wins at baccarat. in roulette, its easy, the "0" makes the difference from "50-50" to "close to 50-50".

is there a statistical advatage of the casino, or is the baccarat system only based on human mind:
you win => you play on until you came back to zero or, more likely, you even lost something
you loose => well, you lost.
Posted by EdgeDante on 2009-05-24 06:15:24
In baccarat, the two bets are called "player" and "banker". There's also a "tie" bet that isn't anywhere near fair. It's an awful bet.

But, of the two legitimate bets:
The "player" is at a disadvantage - it has a slightly greater chance to lose than win.
The "banker" is at a slight advantage, but a 5% commission of your bet is taken every time you win on the banker bet.

Thus, you're slightly favored to lose or you're slightly favored to win, but you'll win less than you bet.
Posted by CircularLogic on 2009-05-24 10:56:30
So I take it, that after each round of baccarat, cards are reshuffled? Else score keeping could serve the same purpuse than card counting in blackjack
Posted by EdgeDante on 2009-05-24 17:07:41
Circ, because the player makes no decisions in deciding the winner, and no type of card benefits either bet more than the other, card counting serves no conceivable purpose in baccarat.