stargzrrag
Joined: Jun 10, 2004
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Aug 26, 2004 - 03:57 |
 
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Funny, I thought skill selection was part of being a coach. I've played in random skill leagues and even really good players get hosed, if they don't pick decent skills.
The OTS guys that create the bad reputation are the people who only field them on offence. They ruin it.
What I don't see is a reason we are talking about this again. |
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Wombats
Joined: Oct 31, 2003
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Aug 26, 2004 - 04:05 |
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/me slaps star around the head with a bewildered trout
'cos I'm at work and SQL ain't that interesting.
First one to a thousand posts gets to crow about it in their sig! |
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Bretter
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 26, 2004 - 04:08 |
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Wombats: Hell, I know I'm in the minority. I still like 3rd edition rules. Probably cos I hate changing rules all the time. I'm not a great strategist, and by the time I find a strategy that I like, Jervis twists all the rules on me... Then again, player turnover was usually not a problem back then.
More importantly, I like to play opponents that I get along with. That's why I don't mind Mully beating me (up) all the time... |
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Wombats
Joined: Oct 31, 2003
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Aug 26, 2004 - 04:17 |
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Renno
Joined: Jun 17, 2004
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Aug 26, 2004 - 13:29 |
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Wombats
Ignore the teams I play against my wife as she is learning and if you notice the more she plays the more games she eventually wins.
Early on I can beat a Skaven team with halflings and have shown her the weakest to the strongest teams. <shrug>
Look at my faction Skaven and nit pick them. 
Someone eventually thinks 1-turners, Stalling, Claws, Razor Sharp Claws, and Dirty Player are cheesy and unfair.
None of you would play a Chaos Team with 5 or more Claws with some Razor Sharp Claws and Mighty Blows mixed in with a Skaven team (one that you planned on keeping and liked) of equal strength. And you and I both know why. 
So its just as cheesy. |
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Topper
Joined: Aug 03, 2003
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Aug 26, 2004 - 14:31 |
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Man, Man, Man.
A good coach doesn´t use one-turners.
That´s the silliest I have ever heard. First of all, ALL good coaches can one-turn with a bit of luck through subsequent pushing.
True that involves some skill, but I have stopped several real 1-turners by positioning my defence right.
But if u, like I, play to make a team that can cope with ANY opponent, u need all kind of players.
And of course, I play with both 1-turners and claws.
It´s about maximizing ur skills.
I allways go for teams in balance, and a single RSC/claw player is not upsetting to that, however 10 of such guys are.
And to those of u who claim, that a good coach doesn´t use the options in front of him..........
I´d say reverse it, A good coach does, a bad one doesn´t. That includes fouling, one-turning, stalling, RSC/claw/MB etc.
Maximize the strenghts of ur team, meanwhile u try to minimize ur weaknesses. |
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hevonen
Joined: Jan 27, 2004
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Aug 26, 2004 - 14:48 |
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So what u are saying is that u arent a good coach urself ? Since u have 1 turners on ur wood elf team....
To me u make no sence really.
My oppinion is that poeple should make their exactly like they want, thats what creates the diversity and makes this game great, that so many teams are different and makes each game unique. 1 turners.. sure use them, same with claws etc, its all part of the game. and the bullshit about being a bad coach just because u have a one turners is just lame to me. it makes it easier but since there are random factors in this game nothing is certain. finnally all coaches get the oppotunity to show that they are better coaches by beating the 1 turner coach , aight ? or thats too easy since the one turnr coach of course suck. or something. |
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Lord-Willi
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 26, 2004 - 17:26 |
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what is the point about 1 Turners ?
It has nothing to do whether u are a good coach or not, early in the
Game 1 Turn scores a hell of crap. When i get the first drive and do
my one turn TD against a strong Team, i will get beaten down to hell
cause i will have to set up my players one turn after the other.
1 Turners will never win you the game as long as the Rest of your team is strong enough to keep him alive and to stop the others to score...
So whenever you roll ma +1 twice in a row you will make your Skaven, Wood Elf or any MA 8 Guy a 1 Turner, what is the Deal ? 3 Rolls are wasted just to get that done, if you set up clever he has to make 3 dodges to score or to leap over your guys which makes it at least somewhat hard to score (impossible for me not to roll a 1 for 5 dice rolls)  |
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Glomp
Joined: Jan 04, 2004
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Aug 26, 2004 - 17:39 |
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One turners are really dull to play with and against
They suck up lots of the teams exp leaving a very weak side
If they're left on the pitch for longer than 1 turn kiss them goodbye
If you mess it up you've just given the ball to your opponent (cheers)
It takes no skill judgement, or ability to score with them
You dont get the warm happy glow from playing well and winning
Claw, Rsc is overpowered and kills teams.
Winning against an opponent whos only fielding half a team is pretty dull
Its hard to get games because no one wants to play you for obvious reasons.
Hmm well thats the longest list I can think of.
I wonder why the vault removes rsc but still allows one turn gutter runners 
How odd. Ah well for the moment I dont care. Play anyone its fun that way. Its also really funny when you kill that one turner/claw rsc player  |
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Mezir
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 26, 2004 - 17:45 |
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Vault removes RSC and removes the +1 MA from VLL (hooray!). That last bit means you actually need to roll an MA increase to get a one-turner. |
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Glomp
Joined: Jan 04, 2004
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Aug 26, 2004 - 17:47 |
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Still not too unlikely though. What ever happened to the idea of giving gutter runners MA8 and sprint? |
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Britnoth
Joined: Aug 02, 2003
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Aug 26, 2004 - 17:52 |
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The vault removes rsc because it is making PO just as good. |
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Glomp
Joined: Jan 04, 2004
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Aug 26, 2004 - 17:59 |
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Ah well at least po wont be a dead skill pick anymore. Break out the dirty players!!! |
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stargzrrag
Joined: Jun 10, 2004
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Aug 26, 2004 - 23:14 |
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It's easy to get OTS without VLL or sprint http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=player&player_id=1132893
Topper, | Quote: |
And to those of u who claim, that a good coach doesn´t use the options in front of him..........
I´d say reverse it, A good coach does, a bad one doesn´t. That includes fouling, one-turning, stalling, RSC/claw/MB etc.
Maximize the strenghts of ur team, meanwhile u try to minimize ur weaknesses.
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I totally agree. Plainly put, but sums it all up. |
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Topper
Joined: Aug 03, 2003
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Aug 27, 2004 - 00:37 |
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| hevonen wrote: | So what u are saying is that u arent a good coach urself ? Since u have 1 turners on ur wood elf team....
To me u make no sence really. |
Read my post again, Hevonen.
I say that any good coach uses the options he is given for that team.
And i say that it´s a silly statement to say that only bad coaches uses one-turners.
Just to clatify things. |
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