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studman theory
Since we're in something like the same timezone and were often 2 of the 4 people activating in the Box during that time, I've gotten to play studmandudebro quite a bit, as well as spectated a bunch of his matches. During this time I have developed a theory: studman is awesome for FUMBBL. I know a lot of you already wave your shirt like a helicopter while you kill all mens, but for the few unconverted this blog exists to lay down my reasoning. From what I can tell, most of resistance to his coaching style is due to his choice to coach the cheesiest minmax squad of them all: the lone wolf necro team. So to tease out the reason for not getting buff rowdy, first we have to consider the reasons that minmaxed teams are looked down on. From what I can see there are three main reasons:

1. They have the potential to destroy the other coach’s team when it is most vulnerable (when it’s just starting out) and, in the process, turn new coaches away from Blackbox. This mainly refers to minmaxed clawpomb teams (your Chaos Dwarf-and-hobbo-only teams, your two-wolves-and-a-carrier Necro teams, your legend marauders + fodder Pact teams, etc.), but I suppose a properly minmaxed Zon squad could take you out too. Of the three arguments against studman, this is probably the one I'd say has the most heft: I've seen squads (including my own) decimated by the rowdiness of aesthetic dog. However, MY absolute most devastating games when starting a rookie squad have all been against other rookie teams that just got hot dice, so it can easily happen in other ways. Luckily, a team with really low TV probably won’t have lots of super skilled mens to lose, that is unless it’s also a minmaxed team (in which case everyone wins!). And if the loss is FUN, the coach might still stick around. I recently lost a game against Topper but it was so enjoyable, with so much good banter, that it felt like a win. The next match the team was destroyed by a rookie chaos dwarf squad in a game where two players (including a gutter) died on dodges (in a game with almost no banter). Such is Blood Bowl.

2. They exploit the system/they make for boring teams. Well, we all exploit the system to one degree or another; minmaxing may be taking it to the extreme but the really great box Dark Elf and Vampire squads take advantage of the relatively low levels of tackle in the Box just as Ranked squads often go ultra-heavy on tackle to deal with all the elves that live there. Play to your environment. If you’re trying to play tournament games, build a diverse squad. If you just want to get through the day-to-day, do what you need. In the Human League, I am always looking for the most efficient team w/ re: skills and number of players, and the coaches there offer tips based on their own efficiency findings. I tend to get annoyed when my humans get matched up against a real killer squad, but I also relish a challenge, so there are some positives. Part of the reason I play in the box in the first place is that I’d be too much of a coward to challenge these teams in Ranked :D

3. They allow for efficient winning. This, to me, is the reason that most coaches decry super-minmaxing: it makes it easier for that team’s coach to win games. In conjunction with this is the belief that the coach in question will be artificially inflating his coach rating or status on the site (whether founded or not I really don’t know, nor do I much feel like exploring it - you can read through this thread if you want a semi-recent example of the CR debate). This is where an argument against studman falls apart. When faced with a team that has been reduced to two players, down 0-1 on turn 17, what does studman do? Piles on with the ball carrier, of course! When he can pick up the ball with aesthetic wolf, does he do it? No! He blitzes every time! Is this usually probably the “worse” strategy for the moment (with regard to making the game more likely to be won)? Mmmmm… yes. But is it the most fun? ABSOLUTELY!

That’s what makes a game with studman the best: even if your mens are all killed, the crazy fun of the whole thing is infectious (well, at least for me!). You can play any style of game against him you want and he will be fine with it. I’ve never once seen studman complain about dice, his men dying, losing, or anything else. In spirit, I’d put him in the same orbit as a super cool coach like Rabe: he is (or was) playing merely for the fun of the game on his own terms. And coaches like that make FUMBBL a better place.
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Posted by pythrr on 2013-06-29 03:14:27
" When faced with a team that has been reduced to two players, down 0-1 on turn 17, what does studman do? Piles on with the ball carrier, of course! When he can pick up the ball with aesthetic wolf, does he do it? No! He blitzes every time!"

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I like studman.

But this could be viewed by the admins as "not playing competitively. So, if true (and I have not idea if it is), he could get his team retired for this.

Just saying.
Posted by ThePeoplesChamp on 2013-06-29 03:36:15
rated 6 for being hella rowdy. *fist pump*
Posted by Araznaroth on 2013-06-29 03:39:22
I have never had thenpleasure of playing him. Speccing tho yes! Always seemed to miss his team. After awhile I got deterred from the minmaxing aspect, plus its hard playing Studmanstyle! Really have to force myself to do it. :D
Posted by wintergreen13 on 2013-06-29 03:59:23
@pythrr: I guess it gets a bit murky when trying to determine if a certain playstyle is considered competitive play. But I would argue that he tried to win even though he always put the bloodshed part first. The ballcarrier piling on was to try to injure a minmaxed clawpombing Marauder, and there were always zombies to pick up the ball when aesthetic dog decided not to, right ;)

@araznaroth: I totally agree! I am not good at minmaxing either, especially because it requires the retirement of healthy players, which I refuse to do (except in the case of trying to revitalize teams that need pruning, which I've had to do to keep teams around from back when I didn't understand TV management). Playing studman style is tough - and best suited to someone who's following his own muse.
Posted by Overhamsteren on 2013-06-29 04:35:39
"I’ve never once seen studman complain about dice"

Isn't his chat just a recorder playing the same 3 sentences over and over again?
Posted by wintergreen13 on 2013-06-29 04:40:01
@overhamsteren: well, kinda sorta :) He has some stock phrases, but there's definitely wit there, too. He's definitely the master of the humorous understatement, especially when things are going bad for him.
Posted by keggiemckill on 2013-06-29 05:27:43
I watched that game with Winter, and 10 others when Studman picked up the ball, blitzed a CPomber . After he knocked himover he debated for 2 min whether to pile on, and everyone /stomp'ed. He tied the game, but could have won.
@Pythrr, if you want to guess which team he did this too, you recently lost 0-3 trying to do a similar thing. :)

I enjoyed watching Studman and his crazy all mens line of scrimmage. The difference for his min/maxing was that he never put winning first, and most likely lost his games.
Posted by harvestmouse on 2013-06-29 09:24:19
There's no defence for minmaxing in box. If it's a theme and you're playing willing opponents who know what they are getting into, then that's fine. However in box you aren't.

Kudos to Studman though. He's worked hard on polishing his online persona, until he's got a whole bunch of you 'bro-ing' and 'buff-ing' your way through games.
Posted by koadah on 2013-06-29 09:38:21
The rules are the rules. If it was really such a big deal we'd change the rules.

These are supposed to be 'competitive' divisions but there is no recognised goal to compete for. So people create their own goals.

This is the same old story of different people wanting to play different ways but all doing it in the same divisions.

People can moan about belly putters all they like. But people will use them unless there is a rule in place to prevent them.

Same with CPOMBers, min/max, blodge spam, cherry picking, elf balling etc, etc.

So. We can moan if it makes us feel better. But, it's all in the game y'all.
Posted by JimmyFantastic on 2013-06-29 12:35:54
infinite/6 Studman is the number one thing about fumbbl!
Griefers vs Clinically Important was the most enjoyable game I have ever had.
People who whine about Studman need to lighten up and enjoy playing this little kids game in the spirit it was intended and have some freaking FUN!!!!
Posted by Loew on 2013-06-29 13:49:52
just to offer a minority opinion:

not everyone finds studman's special brand of testosterone and cheap booze amusing
besides, he could get pretty insulting if you weren't a fanboi

cudos though for never breaking character...at least I hope it's just an online persona
Posted by ThePeoplesChamp on 2013-06-29 14:19:23
If people don't like him that's fine, but you need the entertainers like him to brighten this up! Way too many hum drum haters. Shirt copter by yourself in your room in front of a mirror, I guarantee you will feel better.
Posted by blocknroll on 2013-06-29 15:11:26
no one has said natty light yet. Worth mentioning I thought.
Posted by Nightbird on 2013-06-29 16:32:44
In response to Studman, & later after being discovered he was also dudebro, Studmandudebro has on occasion, in main chat, broken his online persona to reveal a quite seemingly very intelligent 'real' persona. One could even surmise, after witnessing these breaks, that he doesn't even drink natty light at all or even wave his shirt round like a helicopter. I've personally always thought that this was both an escape, as we all need at times, from the 'real' world & a sort of experiment for him. As the tootsie pop owl said: "The world may never know". I do, however, find him to be amusing, but at times annoying as well.
Posted by PaddyMick on 2013-06-29 18:57:31
I get it now
Good blog
Posted by wintergreen13 on 2013-06-29 20:20:31
+1 to all Wire quotes and references (thank you, Koadah!)
Posted by wintergreen13 on 2013-06-29 20:26:43
Also, I am not defending minmaxing, merely defending studman. The whole reason for the blog was that I think a lot of people unfairly lump him in with coaches who are more intentional about taking advantage via their choices, whereas I think his teams, goals, and play style are coming from a completely different place. If I could boil it all down to one thing, it would be that I always looked forward to playing him when we got matched up, which to me is one of the highest compliments one can pay another coach.
Posted by licker on 2013-06-29 21:52:33
I have no problem with the way he plays, but I do find the persona to be rather tired and boring honestly.

different strokes...
Posted by gjopie on 2013-06-30 01:04:31
I'm on side with harvestmouse. I'm not with the jimmyfantastic, peopleschamp, fanbois (oops, name dropping). Mainly because I just don't find it funny. Fair enough if you do. It takes all sorts, I guess. But anyone who claims its a kind of "wit" doesn't know what "wit" is.

And I'm convinced all this stuff is a real coach's secret second team.
Posted by ThePeoplesChamp on 2013-06-30 02:35:12
Well you can't play with our toys then. So there.
Posted by xnoelx on 2013-06-30 06:44:53
My favourite blog ever is still studman's blog about nigglers, and how not playing with them is racist. That (to me) is proof that he's smarter than his persona...
Posted by JimmyFantastic on 2013-06-30 23:39:05
but morarly?!?
Posted by keggiemckill on 2013-07-01 22:17:01
https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=match&op=view&id=3400864

This game was awesome. 2 Legends die at the hand of aesthetic dog. I wish we could see it with their typing also. It was a classic.
Posted by the_Sage on 2013-07-01 22:21:46
gjopie:"And I'm convinced all this stuff is a real coach's secret second team."

I deny it vehemently!