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| Do we need something to ensure a roughly even spread of races? |
| No. Every coach should just play whatever race he likes. |
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66% |
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| Yes. Racial variety is needed for [B]. |
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33% |
[ 68 ] |
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| Total Votes : 201 |
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pac
Joined: Oct 03, 2005
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Nov 14, 2008 - 15:39 |
 
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Circ - can I suggest that you leave this issue for a while (say, about 3 months), and then come back to it if the data for your case is still there over that longer period?
The reason I suggest this is that, with [B] being only about a week old, the numbers need to be given time to settle. At the moment, I think a lot of coaches are displaying short term reactions to years of frustration at being unable (or finding it much more difficult) to get games in Ranked with their bashiest teams. Part of what we're seeing probably represents a short-term release of that frustration.
Now, it's possible that in the longer term - once coaches get accustomed to the existence of [B] and take the ability to get games with any kind of team for granted - we may well see this pattern change, and with that a more even array of rosters represented.
Equally, there's a chance that the pattern won't change.  But however many figures you quote now, the ones you need to really make your case simply don't exist yet. If this pattern doesn't change, [B] may well need some of your suggestions - but people won't be ready to listen to you if you've been banging the same drum non-stop since it began.
To reiterate: all your points will carry a lot more weight a few months down the line (assuming the patterns don't change), than they can possibly do now. |
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RC
Joined: Sep 22, 2005
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Nov 14, 2008 - 15:55 |
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There isnt that much of racial diversity in Ranked either. I have fanatic picker picker awards for Orcs and Chaos and lesser for the other races. I think it reflects Blackbox as well. |
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SillySod
Joined: Oct 10, 2006
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Nov 14, 2008 - 19:08 |
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Nice, does that list include retired teams and where is the site link for where you got the stats? |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Nov 14, 2008 - 19:17 |
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Pac Speaks sense.
"Alpha testing"
Nuff said. |
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Malmir
Joined: May 20, 2008
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Nov 14, 2008 - 19:40 |
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I totally agree with Pac - I've only entered one BB team so far which is predictably Orc (partly because I enjoy playing them as they are good and partly becasue I expected it to be full of khemri etc) but in time I know I will want to play elves again and live in fear of every block... |
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Igvy
Joined: Apr 29, 2007
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Nov 16, 2008 - 04:51 |
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Just remove dwarves, they are boring. No issues play other teams. |
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pythrr
Joined: Mar 07, 2006
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Nov 16, 2008 - 05:05 |
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yup, dorfs are very boring. but they are funny to beat.
just make more rats. everyone loves a rat. |
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shadow46x2
Joined: Nov 22, 2003
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Nov 16, 2008 - 05:17 |
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| SillySod wrote: | | Nice, does that list include retired teams and where is the site link for where you got the stats? |
i would wager he got it from here...
and sadly, those lists do not include retired teams...
one small flaw to circ's data, though....look at the high TR teams....chances are(and no this is not an admission of knowing what the matchmaking formula is...I have no idea what it is) that the high TR/TS teams are being matched up against each other, which include a lot of bash teams...thereby boosting their stats inaccurately....
which just proves pac's point even more that basing all of this hubbub about diversity simply off of a week of activity, and not a few months of activity to get better raw numbers, is just silly....
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Feb 08, 2013 - 13:05 |
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Why are there so many CD teams in [B]?
Just curious... never thought that they were that fun to play  |
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Wreckage
Joined: Aug 15, 2004
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Feb 08, 2013 - 13:21 |
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seriously, you shouldn't dig out such old threats. That was a LRB4 related issue back then.
If you start the topic like that you only risk the infamous double blocking. (Necromancing here and then on the new thread Double Posting)
Just make a new thread about it in the first place and noone will remember this old stuff.
EDIT: As for your question. I think, CDs are attractive because they have responses to everything.
High armor, Low armor, Claw, Tackle, Guard, St4 Bt+Speed, Pomb.. They are just an appealing race in a random matchmaking system. They can deal with everything. |
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Roland
Joined: May 12, 2004
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Feb 08, 2013 - 13:24 |
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| Wreckage wrote: | seriously, you shouldn't dig out such old threats. That was a LRB4 related issue back then.
If you start the topic like that you only risk the infamous double blocking. (Necromancing here and then on the new thread Double Posting)
Just make a new thread about it in the first place and noone will remember this old stuff. |
0k, will do. Just thought the title was appropriate.
So sorry  |
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BigBlockTheory
Joined: Jan 06, 2012
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Feb 14, 2013 - 13:12 |
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| SillySod wrote: |
I'd prefer a credit system. Basicly the credit system gives you credits for playing games with underused races (e.g. goblins) but takes them away for using the same races as everyone else (e.g. orcs). You cant play a particular team if the game would take your credits below zero, obviously the system would have to feed in more credits than it takes away to give people a certain amount of flexibility. That way if you played nothing but orcs and chaos your suppy of credits would dry up fast so you'd either have to play something else like goblins or vampires for a while or you could say goodbye to playing in [B].
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I like this idea. |
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koadah
Joined: Mar 30, 2005
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Feb 14, 2013 - 13:29 |
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| BigBlockTheory wrote: | | SillySod wrote: |
I'd prefer a credit system. Basicly the credit system gives you credits for playing games with underused races (e.g. goblins) but takes them away for using the same races as everyone else (e.g. orcs). You cant play a particular team if the game would take your credits below zero, obviously the system would have to feed in more credits than it takes away to give people a certain amount of flexibility. That way if you played nothing but orcs and chaos your suppy of credits would dry up fast so you'd either have to play something else like goblins or vampires for a while or you could say goodbye to playing in [B].
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I like this idea. |
But humans are a top 4 race. Would you lose credits for only playing humans? |
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harvestmouse
Joined: May 13, 2007
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Feb 14, 2013 - 14:16 |
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A concept I wrote about on another thread recently:
One concept I thought about with the Japanese League, was each coach was giving a 'points quota'. A year had four seasons, and you had a certain amount of points to use over that year. Each season was played at escalating TR. So Winter was 125, Spring 150, 175 and finally Autumn 200.
The better coaches in the league had less points for the year, where as the worse coaches had more. Teams then had a certain amount of points at different TV.
For example if you wanted to play Zons in winter, they would cost you 40 points, but if you wanted to play them in Autumn they would only cost you 15.
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Chaos in Winter would cost you 15 and 50 if you wanted to use them in Autumn.
A good coach I think had 100 points for the year, going down to the least skilled that would have got 140 (off the top of my head).
A similar system may work for you, but I think before you start anything, I think you need to work out where you really think they'll get to (TVwise).
Maybe a variation would work with box.
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Overhamsteren
Joined: May 27, 2006
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Feb 14, 2013 - 16:10 |
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Would be funny with a credits system dependant on the races popularity although too serious dudes would then sit and watch the popularity ratings like a stock market and grab games with the different races at their lowest ratings.   |
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