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Cyrus-Havoc



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 12:47 Reply with quote Back to top

[quote="Uber"]The more I think about it, the more I realize the new skill system can only work with aggressive seasons and low cap.

This is an important point everybody should think about this.

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SzieberthAdam



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 13:53 Reply with quote Back to top

Done for my lovely team, Verjaling Fenders, still for 15 games, no cap:

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#nr  name             games    value     cost
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#1   Jespr               50   150000   230000
#2   Arne                22   170000   210000
#3   Yngvar              21   130000   170000
#4   Petersen             1    50000    70000
#5   Tyge                14    50000    70000
#6   Finn                39   330000   390000
#7   Rolvsson            34    90000   150000
#8   Bentsen              5    50000    70000
#9   Leif                45    80000   140000
#10  Sorensen            51   170000   250000
#11  Ljungstrand         11    90000   110000
#12  Sorenson             4    70000    90000
#13  Kasparsen           48   110000   190000
#14  Kron                48   250000   330000
#15  Ovesen              23   150000   190000
#16  Jeti                51   220000   300000
---------------------------------------------
Players                      2160000  2960000
Assets                        390000   390000
=============================================
Total                        2550000  3350000


Code:
Team Record:           15 (9/0/6)
=================================
Base Budget:              1000000
Budget for Games Played:   300000
Budget for W/D/L:          180000
Treasury:                  500000
=================================
Re-Draft Budget:          1980000
Shortage:                 1370000


Comments in next post.

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SzieberthAdam



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 14:08 Reply with quote Back to top

For the first look, I would be able to keep 4 key players and team would be re-drafted with 1750k TV and 10k in Treasury.

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                               value     cost
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#2   Arne                22   170000   210000
#6   Finn                39   330000   390000
#14  Kron                48   250000   330000
#15  Ovesen              23   150000   190000
7 x Lineman                   350000   350000
1 x Berserker                  90000    90000
1 x Snow Troll                140000   140000
1 x Catcher                    90000    90000
---------------------------------------------
14 Players                   1570000  1790000
3 Re-Rolls                    180000   180000
=============================================
Re-Draft                     1750000  1970000
Remaining                               10000

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mister__joshua



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 15:02
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I think you’ll find very few teams buying more than 11 players on rebuy. It’s so easy to pick up linemen afterwards (1 a game with your winnings) you’re almost always better putting the funds into the agent fees or getting the positionals you want to start skilling into the team for game 1.

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Verminardo



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 15:07 Reply with quote Back to top

This rules set is really terrible for Chaos isn't it?
SzieberthAdam



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 15:15 Reply with quote Back to top

For norse, a 11 men bench is too short.

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mister__joshua



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 15:20
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SzieberthAdam wrote:
For norse, a 11 men bench is too short.


In the long run, but probably not for a game or 2. For arguments sake, how would your team look with 2 re-rolls and 11 players?

Edit: also, looking at the players you’ve kept you have 3 +Str at 80k each in there. It seems like an example tailored to illustrate the point that you could only keep 4 players at that TV even without the cap, but it’s not a typical example of what a team will look like under the 2020 rules. Str 5 catchers aren’t going to be a thing.

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SzieberthAdam



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 15:21 Reply with quote Back to top

This is for Gift Of The Gab:

Code:
#nr  name             games    value     cost
=============================================
#1   Loquacious          26   200000   240000
#2   Be V                 0   110000   110000
#3   On V                 1    40000    60000
#4   Of II               19   160000   200000
#5   And III             85   210000   330000
#6   With V               7    60000    80000
#7   The IV               1    40000    60000
#8   A V                  5   100000   120000
#9   To V                63   230000   330000
#10  I III              104   300000   440000
#11  Have III            72   230000   330000
#12  For II              34   220000   280000
#13  In VIII             17   260000   300000
#14  He II                7    40000    60000
---------------------------------------------
Players                      2200000  2940000
Assets                        210000   210000
=============================================
Total                        2410000  3150000


Code:
Team Record:          15 (14/1/0)
=================================
Base Budget:              1000000
Budget for Games Played:   300000
Budget for W/D/L:          290000
Treasury:                  500000
=================================
Re-Draft Budget:          2090000
Shortage:                 1060000

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SzieberthAdam



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 15:34 Reply with quote Back to top

mister__joshua wrote:
SzieberthAdam wrote:
For norse, a 11 men bench is too short.


In the long run, but probably not for a game or 2. For arguments sake, how would your team look with 2 re-rolls and 11 players?

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                               value     cost
=============================================
#2   Arne                22   170000   210000
#3   Yngvar              21   130000   170000
#6   Finn                39   330000   390000
#9   Leif                45    80000   140000
#14  Kron                48   250000   330000
#15  Ovesen              23   150000   190000
3 x Lineman                   150000   150000
1 x Berserker                  90000    90000
1 x Snow Troll                140000   140000
---------------------------------------------
11 Players                   1490000  1810000
2 Re-Rolls                    120000   120000
Apothecary                     50000    50000
=============================================
Re-Draft                     1660000  1980000
Remaining                                   0

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Balle2000



Joined: Sep 25, 2008

Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 16:29 Reply with quote Back to top

mister__joshua wrote:
For arguments sake, how would your team look with 2 re-rolls and 11 players?

And this is how quickly we venture into weighing fluff and player longevity against competitive ability.

Already seeing the contours of a new meta wherein coaches will start bending over backwards to retain fluff.

Eg. "If I can just survive the first games with 11 players, no apo, and 0 RRs, I will be competitive around game 5 of the next season".

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mister__joshua



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 17:10
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I think it depends on what your fluff is. If your team is looking to be competitive with some good fluff to go along with it it works well, teams IRL have to often cut players who are either not good enough or are too expensive.

If your team is entirely fluff, the new Competitive division might not be the place for them.

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Balle2000



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 17:13 Reply with quote Back to top

mister__joshua wrote:
If your team is entirely fluff, the new Competitive division might not be the place for them.

Yes. That was my underlying point. I'd probably be forced to switch to a picking environment (edit: if wanting to play an entirely fluff based team).


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thoralf



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 17:13 Reply with quote Back to top

That'd be a shame to lose And III. He has quite a personality.

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Balle2000



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 17:15 Reply with quote Back to top

thoralf wrote:
That'd be a shame to lose And III. He has quite a personality.

Exactly. It won't affect the people naming their teams "Places I've heard of", and similar rubbish.
mister__joshua



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 17:24
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Verminardo wrote:
This rules set is really terrible for Chaos isn't it?


It’s not great for them, but I don’t think it’s a disaster. They won’t be dominating at high TV anymore, but they’re meant to be Tier 2 and will perform decently at that level. The alternative Big Guys gives you a few more options too (I think both are better than the mino).

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