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PurpleChest



Joined: Oct 25, 2003

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 20:35
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An easy one, the fail maths of brawler:

36 2D outcomes.
4 are fail states for blockless players.
3 have at least one both down.
Rerolling a both down has a 2/3rds success chance. Effectively removing 2 of the 3 outcomes.
So brawler turns the 1 in 9 fail into a 1 in 18.

Half as likely. Not bad.

The tricky aspect of evaluating it is in positive rerolls.

Of the 36 dice outcomes of a 2 die block, 11 include a both down.
3 of these are fail states discussed above. Both downs or both down and skull.
2 of them have pows to choose already.

2 of them have pow! to choose.

4 have pushes.

Assuming you reroll the 4 pushes, its a 1/3 success rate. 1/3 of 4/36 is 1/27.
But thats only pows that were pushes.

Annoyingly for the maths it also needs to include the 1/3 of the three fail states we would brawler reroll.
So extra pows is 1/3 of 7/36 which 7/108.

so a 6.5% Increase in pows.

Worse if they have dodge.


Brawler is a 'nice to have free' skill.
you'd never pick it.

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sebco



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Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 21:09 Reply with quote Back to top

Interesting maths, thanks.

That said, i don't completely agree with conclusion. I think players with General skills access won't pick it (as Block is better). Some with Strength but not General skills access could. And, in my opinion, those abble to roll a lots of 3d will (particularly when they often block and don't often blitz).

For example, I think I will take it on treemen.

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ClayInfinity



Joined: Aug 15, 2003

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 21:34 Reply with quote Back to top

Ogres in an Ogre team are given it in the new rules right? It would be a decent skill to give an Ogre (or Troll) in any other team because it doesn't attract a Loner roll.

You would make the big guys 50% more reliable as per your maths in a fail state and would gain an incremental benefit when you roll push/both down as you search for the freebie Pow. No loner required.
MrCushtie



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Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 22:40 Reply with quote Back to top

Ogres don't get Brawler by default. The only ones I've seen that start with it are Black Orcs

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Muff2n



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Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 22:59 Reply with quote Back to top

Yes, it works much better when you do not have block. But the effect for a single player is so minimal that you would never take it, even on one that cannot access block.

Where it will matter is on the BO team, though only because the benefits are multiplied by 6. They will appreciate the reduced turnovers and it this might help BOs go guard first. I think it is quite a nice design addition for this purpose only - a bit of a help to a block-less team.
Malmir



Joined: May 20, 2008

Post   Posted: Aug 14, 2020 - 23:16 Reply with quote Back to top

So you're saying the new ruleset and all it encompasses sucks? Who knew?
Uedder



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 00:47 Reply with quote Back to top

it's a nice skill to pick out of random S access.

Plenty of these suboptimal skills both in CRP and in the new rules. Not everything can be block or guard.
Grod



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 05:23 Reply with quote Back to top

What about for 1 dice blocks, or 2 dice uphill blocks? Does Brawler significantly de-risk these actions on a block-less player?

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ClayInfinity



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Post   Posted: Aug 15, 2020 - 05:59 Reply with quote Back to top

MrCushtie wrote:
Ogres don't get Brawler by default. The only ones I've seen that start with it are Black Orcs


Ah ok. I recall seeing the definition of Brawler in the Ogre Spike and hence thought it was standard.

But even so, a free dice reroll without Loner is a great advantage. Wouldn't take it on a regular non block player like a human lineman though.
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