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2015-01-18 16:46:56
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Dirty Dirty Fouling
Well, now that I'm getting into this blogging thing, I've decided it's time for another entry!
What I hear you say? You've already written an entry today IA, surely another is too much!
But no... I am feeling to plague you all once more, for those that read these things anyway...
So here it is - another fouling post (my first but many a post has been written on this in the past hehe )
***TANGENT*** I suspect that my previous blogs have had some high scores because they have all been fling reports from my attempts at the brasky challenge as everyone likes to encourage some fling action... on this basis, i suspect this may get a lower score but feel free to prove me wrong hehe ***END OF TANGENT***
Soooo - fouling... some love it some hate it some live it some fear it... I have heard that it is mathematically unsound as a strategy in many situations... one of these being, frustratingly, vs dorfs due to their thick skulls... it is also interesting from a psychological perspective as some players will be reluctant to use piling on against dirty player ridden squads...
For me, I love it to the point i occasionally lose matches due to taking a big risk by through a foul where removing their player will give me a strong advantage but losing my own will likely lose me the match... My love for it was born, oddly, in a match where I was playing with a kenthis inspired chaos team vs a human squad in the bb...
***TANGENT 2*** I say kenthis inspired in that i had taken so many savage beatings from ken using other teams that i put loads of energy into trying to make a chaos squad to take the fight to ken... It never worked out and I pulled off 1 draw against ken over all the matches i can recall... there is a link below to my vs record against ken though it doesnt seem to show all the matches:
https://fumbbl.com/p/matches?c=KenThis&coach2=ImpactedAnimal
I have grown a lot since then and become a better player (or so i like to think hehe) and my overall record is improving but - with regards to the chaos team i was using, this humie player *(not sure what your name is sorry as was a long time ago) managed to bring it back from the brink of losing with beautiful use of fouls which completely wrecked my clawpomb attempt along the way. I thought this was awesome as too much clawpomb had led to self loathing as i gradually became what i had set out to destroy... *** END OF TANGENT 2***
Anyway - recently I was playing a game with Khemri vs another humie squad in the bb... Things went my way I started plodding along for a 2-1 bash victory. Things were looking bad for the humies so they elected to stay down on the floor and let me go score. Now, I had received in the 2nd so the humies had a slight chance of a 1ttd in t16 if a lot of things went there way. On this basis and partially for my own amusement, I went on to foul some of his guys as they lay on the ground... One of these fouls led to a mng for the human thrower and my oh my was he annoyed!
I got told off for quite some time but told him I would not apologise as its in the game, I find it fun, and it would help stop him getting a 1ttd... his position was that he had all but conceded so the least i could do was leave his poor guys alone...
Fumbbl community - once more, where do you stand on the epic saga of to foul or not to foul?
EDIT - 1 rating so far of a 1 - I'll take that as one vote for IA is a bastard for fouling in that situation
NOTE - I do not always foul in this kind of situation though I take particular pleasure in doing so vs chaos for some reason
IA
What I hear you say? You've already written an entry today IA, surely another is too much!
But no... I am feeling to plague you all once more, for those that read these things anyway...
So here it is - another fouling post (my first but many a post has been written on this in the past hehe )
***TANGENT*** I suspect that my previous blogs have had some high scores because they have all been fling reports from my attempts at the brasky challenge as everyone likes to encourage some fling action... on this basis, i suspect this may get a lower score but feel free to prove me wrong hehe ***END OF TANGENT***
Soooo - fouling... some love it some hate it some live it some fear it... I have heard that it is mathematically unsound as a strategy in many situations... one of these being, frustratingly, vs dorfs due to their thick skulls... it is also interesting from a psychological perspective as some players will be reluctant to use piling on against dirty player ridden squads...
For me, I love it to the point i occasionally lose matches due to taking a big risk by through a foul where removing their player will give me a strong advantage but losing my own will likely lose me the match... My love for it was born, oddly, in a match where I was playing with a kenthis inspired chaos team vs a human squad in the bb...
***TANGENT 2*** I say kenthis inspired in that i had taken so many savage beatings from ken using other teams that i put loads of energy into trying to make a chaos squad to take the fight to ken... It never worked out and I pulled off 1 draw against ken over all the matches i can recall... there is a link below to my vs record against ken though it doesnt seem to show all the matches:
https://fumbbl.com/p/matches?c=KenThis&coach2=ImpactedAnimal
I have grown a lot since then and become a better player (or so i like to think hehe) and my overall record is improving but - with regards to the chaos team i was using, this humie player *(not sure what your name is sorry as was a long time ago) managed to bring it back from the brink of losing with beautiful use of fouls which completely wrecked my clawpomb attempt along the way. I thought this was awesome as too much clawpomb had led to self loathing as i gradually became what i had set out to destroy... *** END OF TANGENT 2***
Anyway - recently I was playing a game with Khemri vs another humie squad in the bb... Things went my way I started plodding along for a 2-1 bash victory. Things were looking bad for the humies so they elected to stay down on the floor and let me go score. Now, I had received in the 2nd so the humies had a slight chance of a 1ttd in t16 if a lot of things went there way. On this basis and partially for my own amusement, I went on to foul some of his guys as they lay on the ground... One of these fouls led to a mng for the human thrower and my oh my was he annoyed!
I got told off for quite some time but told him I would not apologise as its in the game, I find it fun, and it would help stop him getting a 1ttd... his position was that he had all but conceded so the least i could do was leave his poor guys alone...
Fumbbl community - once more, where do you stand on the epic saga of to foul or not to foul?
EDIT - 1 rating so far of a 1 - I'll take that as one vote for IA is a bastard for fouling in that situation
NOTE - I do not always foul in this kind of situation though I take particular pleasure in doing so vs chaos for some reason
IA
Comments
Posted by grunth on 2015-01-18 17:04:45
foul, foul, and foul... :)
its so cool :D
its so cool :D
Posted by ImpactedAnimal on 2015-01-18 17:10:37
Yay :) fouling hehe two more votes in and looking more respectable...
Posted by hbgs on 2015-01-18 17:26:37
By all means - foul! If he doesn't want his players fouled, he can *stand them up!* Or even better, *dodge away!* Or even more so, try and *stop you from scoring!*
That is definitely a situation where fouling gives you a greater chance to ensure the win - it's fruitless to grind your way to a 2-1 bash win, only to see the poor guys you took pity on get a OTTD or a Riot result or something, and turn it around to tie it up 2-2.
That is definitely a situation where fouling gives you a greater chance to ensure the win - it's fruitless to grind your way to a 2-1 bash win, only to see the poor guys you took pity on get a OTTD or a Riot result or something, and turn it around to tie it up 2-2.
Posted by SerenadeOfSorrow on 2015-01-18 17:44:22
foul forever
Posted by ImpactedAnimal on 2015-01-18 18:05:45
thanks hbgs - this is in line with my thoughts on the matter but had been wondering whether its just that i'm a massive douchebage?
;) the debate rages on
;) the debate rages on
Posted by roante on 2015-01-18 18:50:34
Foul in T16.
Posted by licker on 2015-01-18 18:57:45
Is it a meaningless R or B game? Then who cares what you do or what happens to the teams. Personally I don't foul in those situations in those games because, meh, why bother being a dickhead online when you already are one in real life?
Was it in L? Or a tournament?
Then do absolutely whatever it takes to ensure the win (might depend on the league, some do house rule certain things).
So basically, fouling when the game is won is a total douchebag maneuver and you should do it if you are a douchebag.
The rules of BB don't apply here. The site code of conduct might (but it doesn't for these cases), your TT leaguemates might have something to say, there's any number of ramifications which could happen depending on the type of game/league/opponent.
It's similar with timing people out. Do whatever you are comfortable with and embrace the fact that you are a douchebag or a dickhead or a nice guy or whatever matters to you personally. It really doesn't matter what anyone else here says.
Was it in L? Or a tournament?
Then do absolutely whatever it takes to ensure the win (might depend on the league, some do house rule certain things).
So basically, fouling when the game is won is a total douchebag maneuver and you should do it if you are a douchebag.
The rules of BB don't apply here. The site code of conduct might (but it doesn't for these cases), your TT leaguemates might have something to say, there's any number of ramifications which could happen depending on the type of game/league/opponent.
It's similar with timing people out. Do whatever you are comfortable with and embrace the fact that you are a douchebag or a dickhead or a nice guy or whatever matters to you personally. It really doesn't matter what anyone else here says.
Posted by Calcium on 2015-01-18 19:09:27
Ah, Kenthis......I miss him as much as I miss having crabs :)
Posted by ImpactedAnimal on 2015-01-18 19:12:31
Thanks for your words licker though I admit they sting :)
It was in a BB game - no tourn implications just winning vs chance of drawing if he had enough men for a 1 turner or clock goes back as my lead would only be of 1 after i scored....
Anyway - with timing people out - i occasionally do it if they have been doing it to me turn on turn but give people the benefit of the doubt...
with regards to enjoying fouling - i think maybe im just a doushe but i guess i;ll just have to embrace it :)
It was in a BB game - no tourn implications just winning vs chance of drawing if he had enough men for a 1 turner or clock goes back as my lead would only be of 1 after i scored....
Anyway - with timing people out - i occasionally do it if they have been doing it to me turn on turn but give people the benefit of the doubt...
with regards to enjoying fouling - i think maybe im just a doushe but i guess i;ll just have to embrace it :)
Posted by licker on 2015-01-18 19:16:01
Well as I said, there's nothing 'wrong' with doing whatever it is that you want to do. Some people play R and B all out as though it's a matter of life and death if they win or lose.
Some people just play for fun and don't care so much about the outcome. Some people enjoy the team building aspect and become merciless pixel huggers.
When these different worlds collide feelings get rubbed the wrong way. But so what?
Some people just play for fun and don't care so much about the outcome. Some people enjoy the team building aspect and become merciless pixel huggers.
When these different worlds collide feelings get rubbed the wrong way. But so what?
Posted by ImpactedAnimal on 2015-01-18 19:30:19
Well i don't like to upset people so that is the argument against it but then it serves a purpose as well as being amusing - vs clawpomb particularly i feel no remorse and I tend tend to have many dps so i have done very little real damage with my fouls in reality...
But good to get a discussion going - for matches that are definitely won then I think I am swayed that fouling is pointless unless the squad you are facing are particularly mean and you want to reduce them for the following time you meet...
Ive been playing a lot with uw, flings and ogres recently and I think the game is for fun - for me part of that fun is fouls though mwahahahaha foul all mens!!1
But good to get a discussion going - for matches that are definitely won then I think I am swayed that fouling is pointless unless the squad you are facing are particularly mean and you want to reduce them for the following time you meet...
Ive been playing a lot with uw, flings and ogres recently and I think the game is for fun - for me part of that fun is fouls though mwahahahaha foul all mens!!1
Posted by the_Sage on 2015-01-18 19:49:39
Foul with big guys. Foul with ball carriers.
Posted by bghandras on 2015-01-18 19:54:28
Troll with fouls...
...erm....
...rather...
...FOUL WITH TROLLS!
...erm....
...rather...
...FOUL WITH TROLLS!
Posted by akaRenton on 2015-01-18 20:55:43
Foul. Every now and then I get an opponent who moans about it, but as far as I'm concerned as long as an opposing player can threaten a TD it's a target.
Stalling is also almost certain to see me start gangfouling until you take the hint :D
Stalling is also almost certain to see me start gangfouling until you take the hint :D
Posted by Sammler_der_Seelen on 2015-01-18 21:03:15
Good old times ,so long no realy good fouling thread or blog...*sniff*
Posted by xnoelx on 2015-01-18 22:24:56
I foul quite a lot, but I'm even more likely to foul a player who stops standing his guys up, as "punishment" for being such a quitter. You did the right thing.
Posted by Dalfort on 2015-01-18 23:08:38
I hated fouling (giving and receiving) when I first came to FUMBBL, but the first environment I played in was Faction (in LRB4 ruleset)... I soon learnt that fouling was a vital part of the game and that I was a terrible coach. So to continue playing in such a harsh arena my teams focus turned to my Kroxi and his Journey to Legendary status. He was the only player I got upset about being fouled, kill the rest but leave me some reason to play was my thinking.
Now I am impartial to fouling, it still rankles me if it is a spiteful foul when the game is won (and quite often vs me it is easy to see it is won!) but a foul vs a rookie player can be quite funny (especially if that player is named after the coach I am playing or some such).
The only other time about Fouls that apply to their use is when the Top Fouler lists are concerned, personally I will put it in the bio if I intend to be extensively fouling with a given player.
I am also trying to accept that douchbag is a style that people are entitled to play... trying.
Now I am impartial to fouling, it still rankles me if it is a spiteful foul when the game is won (and quite often vs me it is easy to see it is won!) but a foul vs a rookie player can be quite funny (especially if that player is named after the coach I am playing or some such).
The only other time about Fouls that apply to their use is when the Top Fouler lists are concerned, personally I will put it in the bio if I intend to be extensively fouling with a given player.
I am also trying to accept that douchbag is a style that people are entitled to play... trying.
Posted by pythrr on 2015-01-18 23:55:23
haha
fouling is funny
do it more
fouling is funny
do it more
Posted by Cavetroll on 2015-01-19 01:08:20
Give him the boot!
Posted by The_Great_Gobbo on 2015-01-19 01:50:34
Wot iz a fowl?
Posted by garyt1 on 2015-01-19 17:18:33
If he is not standing up players and he has a OTTD chance then feel free to lay that boot without remorse.
Posted by akaRenton on 2015-01-19 20:11:20
Fouling is cool, because the coolest ever Fumbbl player was this dude:
https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=player&player_id=5588473
*drops mic, walks away*
https://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=player&player_id=5588473
*drops mic, walks away*
Posted by ImpactedAnimal on 2015-01-20 22:05:14
Smashed it renton - that guy is the don
Posted by albinv on 2015-01-21 12:56:49
Foul all menz and if you cant get em foul their kids instead - little toddlers cant run!
\o/
\o/
Posted by Medon on 2015-02-12 23:00:00
It is called blood bowl and blood needs to be spilled. Scoring casualties is just as important as scoring touchdowns!