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2012-04-09 01:26:44
51 votes, rating 5.3
51 votes, rating 5.3
Losing the passion slowly..
Its actually very strange. Cause I love this site and the game. But I am loosing the passion.
My biggest passion here has been the majors. Its been great fun! Speccing games, predictions (thanks Milford!), building av7-teams hoping they will survive the last game before deadline and all other meta-levels of the game (thanks Purplechest!) with an extra thanks for all the admins doing so much invisible work.
It would be great to play more leagues of different kinds, but I dont have the time for it; kids, house, loads of work and so on.
However, the kind of game I like here on fumbbl has turned into some kind of WoW-parallel. Most 14-year olds can handle it now, just hit the kill-buttons and most things will sort out (yes, I aim at clawpomberS specificly).
I am fully aware that this rant will not help me, in any way, to achieve "my perfect site", but I just have to let it out. After all, spending so much time on this site demands some honesty.
So, I will make it short.
1. Dear fellow coaches, stop this clawpomb-sillyness. This game-exploitation (thats what more than 1-2 clawpombers in a team are for me) destroys the fun for me. I am totally aware that "fun" is different from one person to another of course. This is a personal request, nothing else.
2. Those of you coaches that see yourself as an experienced coach STOP playing clawpombers completely. To not challenge yourself more is slightly shocking for me. The challenge! The challenge!! I wont join the corrupted part of the game, just to have a reasonable chance to survive more than 2 games in a row.
3. I understand that some coaches have a different view (I believe that most however are gazed and zombified). Those of you that have a different view, please stop behaving like its awesome to kill with clawpombers. Its not. Why? - you might ask. Answer: A larson is awesome. A perfect larson is even more awesome. (I have never succeeded with any of them.) A brave, wellthough and unexpected chainpush is awesome. And so on. Rolling 7+ and 9+(7+ for ko) with mb and free rr is not awesome. Its average, nothing else. Not worth to be mentioned. So keep on killing us who still aims for our 2nd legend in over 1000 games (thats my case) if that is fun for you, but know what is awesome and what is average.
Its probably not a good idea to rage-blog.
Its most probably not a good idea to post this blog.
Easy decision then. How else will it change?
My biggest passion here has been the majors. Its been great fun! Speccing games, predictions (thanks Milford!), building av7-teams hoping they will survive the last game before deadline and all other meta-levels of the game (thanks Purplechest!) with an extra thanks for all the admins doing so much invisible work.
It would be great to play more leagues of different kinds, but I dont have the time for it; kids, house, loads of work and so on.
However, the kind of game I like here on fumbbl has turned into some kind of WoW-parallel. Most 14-year olds can handle it now, just hit the kill-buttons and most things will sort out (yes, I aim at clawpomberS specificly).
I am fully aware that this rant will not help me, in any way, to achieve "my perfect site", but I just have to let it out. After all, spending so much time on this site demands some honesty.
So, I will make it short.
1. Dear fellow coaches, stop this clawpomb-sillyness. This game-exploitation (thats what more than 1-2 clawpombers in a team are for me) destroys the fun for me. I am totally aware that "fun" is different from one person to another of course. This is a personal request, nothing else.
2. Those of you coaches that see yourself as an experienced coach STOP playing clawpombers completely. To not challenge yourself more is slightly shocking for me. The challenge! The challenge!! I wont join the corrupted part of the game, just to have a reasonable chance to survive more than 2 games in a row.
3. I understand that some coaches have a different view (I believe that most however are gazed and zombified). Those of you that have a different view, please stop behaving like its awesome to kill with clawpombers. Its not. Why? - you might ask. Answer: A larson is awesome. A perfect larson is even more awesome. (I have never succeeded with any of them.) A brave, wellthough and unexpected chainpush is awesome. And so on. Rolling 7+ and 9+(7+ for ko) with mb and free rr is not awesome. Its average, nothing else. Not worth to be mentioned. So keep on killing us who still aims for our 2nd legend in over 1000 games (thats my case) if that is fun for you, but know what is awesome and what is average.
Its probably not a good idea to rage-blog.
Its most probably not a good idea to post this blog.
Easy decision then. How else will it change?
Comments
Posted by Woodstock on 2012-04-09 01:34:16
Drop B, play R and L. And yes... I agree with you.
Posted by lizvis on 2012-04-09 01:43:25
sounds like you're inching your way towards the exit door
Posted by Mr_Foulscumm on 2012-04-09 01:46:51
Take a break. Trust me, they do wonders.
Or listen to Woody. He's had a good idea once... who knows? He might have one again one of these days :)
Or listen to Woody. He's had a good idea once... who knows? He might have one again one of these days :)
Posted by Oly1987 on 2012-04-09 01:51:14
cheer up fella. yes clawpomb is very OP but i believe pomb is an almost as bad combo for cheesiness, and we all use it you included ;)
Posted by happygrue on 2012-04-09 02:09:19
So what I hear is... you're going to join the DANGERZONE! Where all the kool kids play.
Posted by Nelphine on 2012-04-09 03:11:09
I second the 'take a break' group; I had only played for a few months, and my fluffy chaos dorfs in the box (minotaur and niggled bull and all) just turned me right off. So I took a year off, concentrated on school, Twin Prime Conjecture, family, work, and.. I came back. And now it's awesome; I have a Chaos team (no piling on!) and I love it; and I'm trying to start up a tourney elf team, because I REALLY want to win a major with a forlorn race (not that I expect to ever be good enough to win a qualifier let alone the whole major)... and unfortunately I don't see any way to do it with my lizards. Poor lizards.
Posted by Overhamsteren on 2012-04-09 04:44:56
So completely average indeed.
Posted by Azure on 2012-04-09 05:55:25
Well said.
Posted by Craftnburn on 2012-04-09 07:17:14
Why can't anyone on the internet spell "Losing"?
Posted by Malmir on 2012-04-09 07:28:57
This is exactly how I felt for a long time when I was considering packing it in. I've made my peace with it now and accepted is as an inferior ruleset. Nothing to be gained by comparing it to the past. Just need to decide if you can still have fun with it.
Posted by ClayInfinity on 2012-04-09 07:48:32
I took prehensile tail on my Chaos Warrior... it can still be fun! I agree with your comments, rage-quitting isnt the answer. Ranked and League is what you seek!
Posted by Niebling on 2012-04-09 08:54:33
I think most the mature part of the BB community agrees with you on some level, but remember clawpow is only broken in an environment like [B] so easy solution stop playing in [B] :) Wait for the new [R] to be implementet, when that hits all thats going to be left in [B] are the kids¨
Or do what I do, build anti clawpow teams and have fun with that ;)
Or do what I do, build anti clawpow teams and have fun with that ;)
Posted by Purplegoo on 2012-04-09 09:12:35
Your issue is Majors. Just stop those.
Posted by Cloggy on 2012-04-09 09:16:14
I'm already down the road in the direction you're heading at. I don't have a single clawpomber in any of my teams and I simply refuse to play teams that have them.
The ruleset is what it is. We can either find a way to play the game in the way we think is fun or quit alltogether. I've found my way and I'm sure you can find yours.
The ruleset is what it is. We can either find a way to play the game in the way we think is fun or quit alltogether. I've found my way and I'm sure you can find yours.
Posted by Shraaaag on 2012-04-09 09:51:30
Sounds like we need a "Rest and Recuperation" League for coaches who feels the same way. A place you can take a break from FUMBBL hard life without getting out of touch. An environment chemically free of clawpombers, trolling and tournament stress.
Posted by Purplegoo on 2012-04-09 09:52:18
(To expand on a flippant point) I haven't done Claw / MB / PO. But to get up in arms about it on a site where you don't have to see it seems odd to me. The beauty of FUMBBL is making your own fun.
And it's not an insta win button. It's a more likely to win, boring button.
Also - kill all mens!
And it's not an insta win button. It's a more likely to win, boring button.
Also - kill all mens!
Posted by Emeric on 2012-04-09 09:53:20
Do this kind of blog only come out after losing to a ClawPOMB team?
I understand and share your point of view, but i'm a bit disappointed to read it just after you were defeated by a such team in a major (is clawPOMB the only reason of your loss? Just a question).
Well, that said, I still hope your call will be heard. But I don't think the thing to do is play R or L or stop Majors. No, what makes ClawPOMB so powerful in B tournaments is the fact that they are overrepresented. If WoC had as many agile teams as bashy ones, coaches of agile teams would probably be favoured for the win.
It's been more than one year since CRP hit FUMBBL. Do every experienced coach actually think blackbox is and will remain "70% clawPOMB 30% fools"? I don't think so, but the solution is clearly not to lose the last remaining great no-clawPOMB coaches :)
I understand and share your point of view, but i'm a bit disappointed to read it just after you were defeated by a such team in a major (is clawPOMB the only reason of your loss? Just a question).
Well, that said, I still hope your call will be heard. But I don't think the thing to do is play R or L or stop Majors. No, what makes ClawPOMB so powerful in B tournaments is the fact that they are overrepresented. If WoC had as many agile teams as bashy ones, coaches of agile teams would probably be favoured for the win.
It's been more than one year since CRP hit FUMBBL. Do every experienced coach actually think blackbox is and will remain "70% clawPOMB 30% fools"? I don't think so, but the solution is clearly not to lose the last remaining great no-clawPOMB coaches :)
Posted by Purplegoo on 2012-04-09 10:32:01
Also, Stunty fixes all ills. :)
Posted by koadah on 2012-04-09 10:54:32
This blog must be about Ranked Majors right? The old Box was dead under LRB4 so that cannot have got any worse under CRP.
Are ranked Majors really so full of CPOMB? I suppose you could apply the CPOMB house rule to ranked only. Or to Ranked Majors only.
I don't see the point in complaining that it is broken in Box when Box is doing fine and LRB4 Box was twice as broken.
It would be nice to be able to transfer teams to [L]eague though. The Orca-Cola/League Cup with the house rule might appeal to some people.
Are ranked Majors really so full of CPOMB? I suppose you could apply the CPOMB house rule to ranked only. Or to Ranked Majors only.
I don't see the point in complaining that it is broken in Box when Box is doing fine and LRB4 Box was twice as broken.
It would be nice to be able to transfer teams to [L]eague though. The Orca-Cola/League Cup with the house rule might appeal to some people.
Posted by BooAhl on 2012-04-09 11:12:01
http://fumbbl.com/FUMBBL.php?page=matches&coach=15135&coach2=35956
I will let you win one to get your motivation back.
I will let you win one to get your motivation back.
Posted by Calcium on 2012-04-09 11:55:51
I think you're a cool guy Dak, and although I am one of the biggest clawPOMB offenders on the site (or was, haven't played as much recently) I actually agree with you.
The majority of us here can see that CRP is deeply flawed, but nothing is going to be done about it. Cloggy's suggestion is best to counter it, avoid the clawPOMBers in B.
I do have an issue with pigeonholing B players into the '14 yr old kid' bracket mind. I get insulting a gamestyle you hate, but you strike me as being far classier than that mate....
The majority of us here can see that CRP is deeply flawed, but nothing is going to be done about it. Cloggy's suggestion is best to counter it, avoid the clawPOMBers in B.
I do have an issue with pigeonholing B players into the '14 yr old kid' bracket mind. I get insulting a gamestyle you hate, but you strike me as being far classier than that mate....
Posted by rafadavila on 2012-04-09 12:51:26
i guess it can be fixed just making PO only for armor rolls. Lest see if gamesworkshop can do it early....
Posted by DonTomaso on 2012-04-09 13:28:32
Totally agree with you on this...
If B wasn't so easy to get games in, I'd leave it.
Also, in B you get the quiet, dull, anti-social coaches. Can't wait for the R-implementation, and hoping it will work wonders for R.
Although a correction about 14-yo's is needed... they don't have to be 14, it is more of an intellectual stage - an 'Hulk smash' stage. Wether you win or lose, at least you've caused some damage.
It is 'instant gratification', and that is... well, lots of studies has gone in to that.
Cheers!
If B wasn't so easy to get games in, I'd leave it.
Also, in B you get the quiet, dull, anti-social coaches. Can't wait for the R-implementation, and hoping it will work wonders for R.
Although a correction about 14-yo's is needed... they don't have to be 14, it is more of an intellectual stage - an 'Hulk smash' stage. Wether you win or lose, at least you've caused some damage.
It is 'instant gratification', and that is... well, lots of studies has gone in to that.
Cheers!
Posted by Dragons on 2012-04-09 13:45:56
YEs thats why I dont play anymore. And i have dropped black box. I play in SL only now. And i was one of the player that play a lot of games.
Posted by Dhaktokh on 2012-04-09 13:49:41
Thanks for your replies folks, really appreciated.
After reading I am sure I need a break. That was my thought as well before writing the blog and now I am convinced. And after the break come back only for the kind of game I really really want to play. So, I will try to skill my near-legend amazon-blitzer and then take a complete break for x months.
Mr_Foulscumm: Thanks for fast reply about the break. Its so true.
Oly1987: Aye, my girls are partially corrupted as well. Thats also partly why they do a good job pretty often.
Shraaaag: I think you have a good point about the tournament stress, regarding me. I thought I was past that point, I can see now that I sure aint.
Emeric: No. Its not from losing a single game. The reason I wrote the blog was from rage (but that rage was more over me playing like a fool tbh), these are thoughts I had for a longer time.
Booahl: You are my nemesis. Its impossible to win over you! ;-D
Calcium: I understand your comment about the hate and how you usually see me. It has gone too far. I need a break.
After reading I am sure I need a break. That was my thought as well before writing the blog and now I am convinced. And after the break come back only for the kind of game I really really want to play. So, I will try to skill my near-legend amazon-blitzer and then take a complete break for x months.
Mr_Foulscumm: Thanks for fast reply about the break. Its so true.
Oly1987: Aye, my girls are partially corrupted as well. Thats also partly why they do a good job pretty often.
Shraaaag: I think you have a good point about the tournament stress, regarding me. I thought I was past that point, I can see now that I sure aint.
Emeric: No. Its not from losing a single game. The reason I wrote the blog was from rage (but that rage was more over me playing like a fool tbh), these are thoughts I had for a longer time.
Booahl: You are my nemesis. Its impossible to win over you! ;-D
Calcium: I understand your comment about the hate and how you usually see me. It has gone too far. I need a break.
Posted by Calcium on 2012-04-09 14:02:24
Everyone needs a break at some point mate, regardless of if it's days or weeks/months.
See you when you get back, my humans are always ready to play ya in R :)
See you when you get back, my humans are always ready to play ya in R :)
Posted by maysrill on 2012-04-09 14:06:20
For me, it's a "fight fire with fire" mentality.
When I load up for the Box, I run out my claw teams and expect to see them in return.
In Ranked, I tend to discourage clawbombing. I have 2 teams (chaos and UW) with them, and I don't go around cherrypicking for easy kills. I match them up with other kill teams, or at least teams that challenge me. If I get a claw offer with any of my other teams, I usually just politely decline.
Killy teams will kill each other off if left to play amongst themselves (my own chaos are a sure example, slaughtered wholesale every few matches). When I see a healthy 2200TV chaos team, I know people have been cherrypicking and/or giving away easy wins to elves in exchange for a healthy amount of their blood.
So take a week or two off, toss your B teams on a shelf, and play some Ranked. The 'dressers won't have any trouble getting games in Ranked, and you can have a say in what teams (and more importantly, coaches) you play.
When I need a "break" but don't want to stop playing, I seek out the late night (US time) beer'n'bash coaches - you know, the kind of guys who take the game a little less seriously, and will gladly laugh over kills for either side. (I can't begin to count the number of nice players of mine Kenty has killed/maimed, or how little it's bothered me because of how it was handled)
When I load up for the Box, I run out my claw teams and expect to see them in return.
In Ranked, I tend to discourage clawbombing. I have 2 teams (chaos and UW) with them, and I don't go around cherrypicking for easy kills. I match them up with other kill teams, or at least teams that challenge me. If I get a claw offer with any of my other teams, I usually just politely decline.
Killy teams will kill each other off if left to play amongst themselves (my own chaos are a sure example, slaughtered wholesale every few matches). When I see a healthy 2200TV chaos team, I know people have been cherrypicking and/or giving away easy wins to elves in exchange for a healthy amount of their blood.
So take a week or two off, toss your B teams on a shelf, and play some Ranked. The 'dressers won't have any trouble getting games in Ranked, and you can have a say in what teams (and more importantly, coaches) you play.
When I need a "break" but don't want to stop playing, I seek out the late night (US time) beer'n'bash coaches - you know, the kind of guys who take the game a little less seriously, and will gladly laugh over kills for either side. (I can't begin to count the number of nice players of mine Kenty has killed/maimed, or how little it's bothered me because of how it was handled)
Posted by burgun824 on 2012-04-09 14:53:56
Two words: Play [L]eague.
ClawPOMBers get sorted quickly there.
ClawPOMBers get sorted quickly there.
Posted by PainState on 2012-04-09 16:48:43
I agree that it is time to take a break and come back later refreshed and ready to go. No matter how much you love a game you got to get away sometimes and put it back on the shelf so to speak.
Posted by Severedunit on 2012-04-09 18:01:04
I agree with you. CLPOMB<skill. Sadly this seems to be impeding the deeper understanding of the game that most of us old timers have strived for. I feel the newer bunch is getting short changed by falling into the CLPOMB trap. I think Cloggy summed it up best:
"I don't have a single clawpomber in any of my teams and I simply refuse to play teams that have them.
The ruleset is what it is. We can either find a way to play the game in the way we think is fun or quit alltogether. I've found my way and I'm sure you can find yours."
"I don't have a single clawpomber in any of my teams and I simply refuse to play teams that have them.
The ruleset is what it is. We can either find a way to play the game in the way we think is fun or quit alltogether. I've found my way and I'm sure you can find yours."
Posted by latulike on 2012-04-09 19:47:25
I've been playing BB for 15 years now, game has never been as broken as it is with the current rule book. Hopefully it will change soon, stick to it, or a break will show you how much you miss the ole' BB. As said from others, join the smart coaches in [R] and [L], I had to do it, but games are more rare there.
Posted by pythrr on 2012-04-09 21:39:52
just play in L
B is very silly these days, and not for serious play
B is very silly these days, and not for serious play
Posted by shusaku on 2012-04-09 22:18:53
I can get, that orc and dwarf coaches hate cpomb, but why the hell should an av7 coach complain. 10 times claw means 20ts wasted.
Posted by Dhaktokh on 2012-04-10 14:14:59
This isnt primarily about me and my teams Shusaku. For me its about a community I love. About speccing games, learning new tricks, cool developments, building awesome teams and the rest I wrote about in the blog. My zons obviously like players with claws, but that is not the point I am trying to make.
Posted by Panda_ on 2012-04-10 21:11:58
You are a good coach, with a good spirit. It's sad to see you go.
Just try to get the 'bloodbowl" virus back.
Just try to get the 'bloodbowl" virus back.