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2014-03-18 04:20:36
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Slann a Base Odyssey
Hey there People. I was thinking about Slann lately and their builds. Im not the greatest coach, though I have had some luck with Slann, (1st person to win a Black Box Brawl with the race.) Though I got lucky in that run, I have been having some issues with them over the long hall. I believe I have made the mistake of making the players too similar to one another. I think with Slann there has to be more variations for players than any other team. All 4 Blitzers should be different. I read about them in the Fumbbl Slann Strategy and I have to agree mainly with the author. I have not done built play specific playes, but am going to start changing my teams to have those specifics. I must say that I do disagree with the Starting builds. So I wanted to add one more variant. It has been inspired by happygrue who did a very similar build in Black Box. I tend to agree for the reason below.
Slann Starting Build
1 x Kroxigor = 140K
2 x Blitzer = 220K
8 x Lineman = 480K
3 x RR = 150K
Total= 9800K
Now, the reasoning behind this is that the SSP should go towards key players sooner than later. The SSP Hog Catchers should not be in the thick of things, so having rookie catchers later on are just as useful as developed ones. I would rather farm some SSP towards the other players. I think that having 2 skill developed Blitzers is crucial to their long term success. It is harder to develop a Slann Blitzers at a higher TV range because they seem to lose players faster than Stunty. Then by Putting those Blitzers in harms way more often. They do not adapt well with low numbers. I also think by having developed Linemen they are less likely to get knocked over and then can sustain 16 turns of damage. There by pressuring your opponent into mistakes. I think starting with the pounders is better than the flash catchers for one reason.... You face pounders in box more than you face flash. Plus attrition is more important. RRs, though many people think 4 are needed right away, I think 3 is enough if you play cautiously. I would rather have a Krox and Blitzers in stead of a 3rd RR. I would rarely leap with the Blitzers so forfeiting a RR isnt a big deal.
I am not a legend with Slann, so hopefully others will mind piping in on their starting tactics, and long term goals. I think I have them sort of figured out, but they have many challenges compared to other teams. One thing I like about Slann is that though the Blitzers start with no immediate hitting skills, but they do have a cool and interesting set up. Diving Tackle, JU and leap are all skills I always want to take on other teams, but decide to stick with safer skills. This makes the team starting very bland, and hard to win early games with but long term they have a better chance at keeping up with attrition. Anyways, please let me know your thoughts.
Slann Starting Build
1 x Kroxigor = 140K
2 x Blitzer = 220K
8 x Lineman = 480K
3 x RR = 150K
Total= 9800K
Now, the reasoning behind this is that the SSP should go towards key players sooner than later. The SSP Hog Catchers should not be in the thick of things, so having rookie catchers later on are just as useful as developed ones. I would rather farm some SSP towards the other players. I think that having 2 skill developed Blitzers is crucial to their long term success. It is harder to develop a Slann Blitzers at a higher TV range because they seem to lose players faster than Stunty. Then by Putting those Blitzers in harms way more often. They do not adapt well with low numbers. I also think by having developed Linemen they are less likely to get knocked over and then can sustain 16 turns of damage. There by pressuring your opponent into mistakes. I think starting with the pounders is better than the flash catchers for one reason.... You face pounders in box more than you face flash. Plus attrition is more important. RRs, though many people think 4 are needed right away, I think 3 is enough if you play cautiously. I would rather have a Krox and Blitzers in stead of a 3rd RR. I would rarely leap with the Blitzers so forfeiting a RR isnt a big deal.
I am not a legend with Slann, so hopefully others will mind piping in on their starting tactics, and long term goals. I think I have them sort of figured out, but they have many challenges compared to other teams. One thing I like about Slann is that though the Blitzers start with no immediate hitting skills, but they do have a cool and interesting set up. Diving Tackle, JU and leap are all skills I always want to take on other teams, but decide to stick with safer skills. This makes the team starting very bland, and hard to win early games with but long term they have a better chance at keeping up with attrition. Anyways, please let me know your thoughts.
Comments
Posted by pythrr on 2014-03-18 04:41:09
I suck with Slann, but would like to get less rubbish.
Posted by Lorebass on 2014-03-18 05:32:28
The only coach I can suggest to watch for slann tips is Happygrue...
Posted by Dunenzed on 2014-03-18 07:50:44
I was lucky enough to have a chat with Happygrue and Anisdrin while hanging out in the Humanleague chat channel a while back. Was interesting listening to their thoughts. And that's pretty much the starting option they pointed me towards as well, although I went no bench and 4 RR's initially I think.
My issue was working out when and how to expand the team after getting the first few skills on the blitzers. My conclusion is that I'm okay with Slann as long as I make all my 3+ rolls - so yeah, I'm pretty much a noob.
My issue was working out when and how to expand the team after getting the first few skills on the blitzers. My conclusion is that I'm okay with Slann as long as I make all my 3+ rolls - so yeah, I'm pretty much a noob.
Posted by albinv on 2014-03-18 08:14:03
I suck completely with all the races, so certainly do with Slann as well. So of course i wont give hints. Im very interested in Slann though, they are very different and once i think i have figured them out they teach me otherwise again.
While i suck at the game, i can sometimes do well enough on the theoretically understanding and analyzing part of it. I pretty early on thought the only real way to shape them into a halfway developed and healthy team is the hard route, leaving out the catchers on the starting roster. Just as you do now, for said reasons.
Im myself am not skilled enough to do this probably. But looking forward how you will perform and how the topic advances.
While i suck at the game, i can sometimes do well enough on the theoretically understanding and analyzing part of it. I pretty early on thought the only real way to shape them into a halfway developed and healthy team is the hard route, leaving out the catchers on the starting roster. Just as you do now, for said reasons.
Im myself am not skilled enough to do this probably. But looking forward how you will perform and how the topic advances.
Posted by mister__joshua on 2014-03-18 09:25:00
CroixFer is a Slann Legend and recently won a WOQ with them, so probably worth watching his games too. 117/22/29 is a ridiculous record.
Posted by CroixFer on 2014-03-18 15:33:36
Thanks, Joshua. But no matter what you might think, I do not feel as a reference for slanns. After 117+22+29 games I still do not know what is the good initial build.
My advice would be: whatever you do, buy the Kroxi. And roll +ag on a blitzer ASAP. I only did once and he died the game after but I think a +ag slann blitzer can be one of the best players around. If I ever develop one I will confirm this.
My advice would be: whatever you do, buy the Kroxi. And roll +ag on a blitzer ASAP. I only did once and he died the game after but I think a +ag slann blitzer can be one of the best players around. If I ever develop one I will confirm this.
Posted by happygrue on 2014-03-18 16:09:58
I do like the build in the OP quite a lot. I have used it in R, B and L and it is my favorite way to start a team. That said, much depends on how you like to play and what your goals are. If you really want to leap a lot, you are going to want catchers early and will find the blitzers frustrating. The catch with catchers (funny) is that with st 2 and no starting skills, if you have them on the roster then you HAVE to leap with them - that is the game plan. I prefer to play more of a bash game and win on defense so I like the blitzers early on.
In short: playing to win you want catchers early but your team will be hard to develop into the higher TV range because trying to skill rookie blitzers later on really sucks. If you don't want any blitzers that can work too, but it's going to be a problem in a high TV league or a major, IMO. Playing to develop the team as fast as possible: forget the catchers and focus on blitzers for a while. Get a few skills on each one before buying another. Go up to 4 RR somewhere when the team is looking good with 3-4 bltizers and the basic skills in place. Catchers skill up fast later. Sometimes I have them, sometimes I don't.
Slann are fun! Lots of different ways to play them. Coaches like Purplegoo and Wreckage have very different builds than what we're talking about here and do quite well with them. It's not a one-size-fits-all kind of team. :D
In short: playing to win you want catchers early but your team will be hard to develop into the higher TV range because trying to skill rookie blitzers later on really sucks. If you don't want any blitzers that can work too, but it's going to be a problem in a high TV league or a major, IMO. Playing to develop the team as fast as possible: forget the catchers and focus on blitzers for a while. Get a few skills on each one before buying another. Go up to 4 RR somewhere when the team is looking good with 3-4 bltizers and the basic skills in place. Catchers skill up fast later. Sometimes I have them, sometimes I don't.
Slann are fun! Lots of different ways to play them. Coaches like Purplegoo and Wreckage have very different builds than what we're talking about here and do quite well with them. It's not a one-size-fits-all kind of team. :D
Posted by the_Sage on 2014-03-18 20:49:56
I like 1 catcher for pickup and handoff/pass duty (though I try to avoid scoring with them, but rather score with the blitzers.
You want a killer blitzer (or 2) and a marker blitzer (or 2). Stand firm and sidestep both have their uses, so consider one of each.
You want a killer blitzer (or 2) and a marker blitzer (or 2). Stand firm and sidestep both have their uses, so consider one of each.
Posted by Topper on 2014-03-19 00:15:38
I agree completely with what both you, Keggie and Happygrue has written. Start with the Blitzers (if you want them) and then develop the rest. I also find that just 2 blitzes can be enough (this goes especially for the Box).
Posted by NickNutria on 2014-03-19 00:49:52
I failed with Slann everytime I tried this race. My only successful approach with Slann was an only-linemen teambuild to start with. I invested a bit in fan factor (2), cheerleaders and trainers and bought lots of rr (5) to start with.
I played them like a human all linemen team with two extra skills leap and very long legs. I only lept when I had too, it's nice, if you outbash your opponent and don't need to leap at all. Leap is fantastic, if you try to get past your opponent, don't do it too often or you'll fail.
This Slann team was very effective in the beginning and won especially often against elf teams and other ball handling teams. But it struggled against bashy teams.
Now i finally got two blitzers, one catcher and one Kroxigor. A Kroxigor is nice for bashing power, but not really needed in a Slann team. Every blitzer or catcher in a starting Slann team is wasted money, they are slimply much too expensive without skills helping them to win the blocking war (like block, dodge or tackle). One or two blitzers later on can be nice and I would pick them before I choose catchers. One Catcher is also not bad, but don't get too many they'll die pretty soon.
Nowadays I loose more games (with 4 positionals, 1 Kroxigoe, 2 Blitzers, 1 Catcher) than before (with 0 positionals). To me the trick with Slann teams is to get as few positionals as possible, they are simply overpriced.
I played them like a human all linemen team with two extra skills leap and very long legs. I only lept when I had too, it's nice, if you outbash your opponent and don't need to leap at all. Leap is fantastic, if you try to get past your opponent, don't do it too often or you'll fail.
This Slann team was very effective in the beginning and won especially often against elf teams and other ball handling teams. But it struggled against bashy teams.
Now i finally got two blitzers, one catcher and one Kroxigor. A Kroxigor is nice for bashing power, but not really needed in a Slann team. Every blitzer or catcher in a starting Slann team is wasted money, they are slimply much too expensive without skills helping them to win the blocking war (like block, dodge or tackle). One or two blitzers later on can be nice and I would pick them before I choose catchers. One Catcher is also not bad, but don't get too many they'll die pretty soon.
Nowadays I loose more games (with 4 positionals, 1 Kroxigoe, 2 Blitzers, 1 Catcher) than before (with 0 positionals). To me the trick with Slann teams is to get as few positionals as possible, they are simply overpriced.