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2019-11-23 03:14:32
50 votes, rating 2.9
50 votes, rating 2.9
smallkosp is finished
After 1313 games, and thanks to another 1mil gap, the team is wrecked beyond worthy of revival. It was an enjoyable run. Never fear my trophy pact are expected to develop in to the same scary team eventually.
Games Played: 1313 (759/257/297) | TD Diff: 742 (1903 - 1161) | Cas Diff: 2855
https://fumbbl.com/p/team?id=651502
Games Played: 1313 (759/257/297) | TD Diff: 742 (1903 - 1161) | Cas Diff: 2855
https://fumbbl.com/p/team?id=651502
Comments
Posted by Wozzaa on 2019-11-23 03:58:48
They ain't finished until you push that retire team button.
Glad you had a good time killing new teams and putting new coaches off fumbbl.
Glad you had a good time killing new teams and putting new coaches off fumbbl.
Posted by Gnoblar on 2019-11-23 06:05:19
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead!!
Can my Critters claim a part of the scalp? Played you the game before the last one, killed a block lineman and av busted the claw mighty blow monstrosity (only rats are allowed that combo).
We helped to liberate the Box! :)
Can my Critters claim a part of the scalp? Played you the game before the last one, killed a block lineman and av busted the claw mighty blow monstrosity (only rats are allowed that combo).
We helped to liberate the Box! :)
Posted by luxyluxo on 2019-11-23 11:06:19
nice cas difference !
Posted by Prez on 2019-11-23 11:06:52
They are far far far from being wrecked.
They are now more Rookie friendly
They are imfamous. Can still rebuild them
So somebody else can beat the crap out them :)
They are now more Rookie friendly
They are imfamous. Can still rebuild them
So somebody else can beat the crap out them :)
Posted by MattDakka on 2019-11-23 11:09:22
I'd keep them because old and famous, recovery is possible.
Posted by Cloggy on 2019-11-23 12:43:57
What a load of drama over nothing. The team doesn't even have any journeymen. Feel free to retire them and make the site a better place in the process, but if it were my team I would not even consider it.
Posted by koadah on 2019-11-23 13:24:50
That is rookie protection for you. They have had a TV advantage only once in the last 10 games. The last game was down over 1000TV.
But hey, I guess that this was one of the teams that rookie protection was designed for. It took a while for the "downward spiral" to kick in though.
I still wouldn't retire them.
But hey, I guess that this was one of the teams that rookie protection was designed for. It took a while for the "downward spiral" to kick in though.
I still wouldn't retire them.
Posted by SzieberthAdam on 2019-11-23 14:02:00
I don't understand. The team is not retired.
Posted by The_Murker on 2019-11-23 14:15:23
1300+ hours played. The team is part of his life. He could not possibly retire it, no more than he could choose to hold his hand in boiling water. It won't happen.
Kudos for doing the interview. You were given the chance to elaborate on many subjects, but I wish you had been ask to speak more about how your think smallkosp affected new players to FUMBBL, when they met your team early on, before 'rookie protection' was in effect.
Would you just dismiss it by saying that Black Box, the only automated scheduler available, is no place for rookies?
Kudos for doing the interview. You were given the chance to elaborate on many subjects, but I wish you had been ask to speak more about how your think smallkosp affected new players to FUMBBL, when they met your team early on, before 'rookie protection' was in effect.
Would you just dismiss it by saying that Black Box, the only automated scheduler available, is no place for rookies?
Posted by koadah on 2019-11-23 14:29:34
Rookie protection doesn't stop young teams meeting min/maxed monsters. It just reduces the chances. Teams could still run into Smallkosp in their very first match.
Posted by MattDakka on 2019-11-23 16:37:09
Then improve rookie protection, for example by forbidding a new team to get matched vs teams with 0 rrs in the first 15 matches or so.
Posted by awambawamb on 2019-11-23 17:34:39
the team looks in good health to me.
Posted by thoralf on 2019-11-23 18:01:32
"The team doesn't even have any journeymen"
Small menz need to be read between the lines.
Small menz need to be read between the lines.
Posted by Patator on 2019-11-23 20:18:33
Long live the 1000 gap !
Posted by ArthurWynne on 2019-11-23 21:16:14
Pretty damn rich of you to whine about TV gaps in the scheduler when the formula was literally changed because of you.
Posted by fidius on 2019-11-24 04:02:31
We seek domination in our leisure hours when we fail to dominate in the things that matter.
Posted by Candlejack on 2019-11-24 06:06:32
*cough* dejà vu *cough* https://fumbbl.com/p/blog&c=smallman&id=14133
Posted by DrDeath on 2019-11-24 12:44:49
No journeymen, no stat decreases, no niggles... so how can it be finished?! Playing 0 rerolls may give a slight advantage when you have lots of natural skills in the team, but it will burn you when you lose those, need new players and can't afford team rerolls at double cost.
Incidentally, although this is an interesting tactic I think this is also why your recent challenge in the Black Box Trophy faded Smallman - brilliant start, but then the 0 rerolls catch up with you at some point!
But really there is no reason to retire Smallkosp, yes they might have a few tricky games but if you want to avoid that situation in future save up for a reroll or two. I know they have irritated some people but I think that isn't really justified - FUMBBL should be able to incorporate all playstyles. The diversity is what makes the game great... and we need some pantomime villains! :)
Incidentally, although this is an interesting tactic I think this is also why your recent challenge in the Black Box Trophy faded Smallman - brilliant start, but then the 0 rerolls catch up with you at some point!
But really there is no reason to retire Smallkosp, yes they might have a few tricky games but if you want to avoid that situation in future save up for a reroll or two. I know they have irritated some people but I think that isn't really justified - FUMBBL should be able to incorporate all playstyles. The diversity is what makes the game great... and we need some pantomime villains! :)
Posted by PaddyMick on 2019-11-24 13:00:29
I don't see what the fuss is about tbh - the team is within the rules and played with a purpose in mind, to acheieve a good win record. It may not be in the spirit of the game as some see it but there is more than one way to play blood bowl. I don't see a problem really. Yes some rookie teams get beat up and some rookie coaches get put off but it's a competative division.
Posted by garyt1 on 2019-11-25 21:55:36
Bizarre to criticizs pixel huggers but then say a team is destroyed when a two skill and a 3 skill player are removed.
Posted by Joost on 2019-11-26 09:00:44
Just as bizarre as complaining about a 1mln TV gap after having repeatedly used petty cash to buy just such an advantage. This was in the moths after therules change, when you could do that with all the saved cash. That was stopped because smallman abuses the system (and an act which I consider to be actual cheating, not just gaming the system to beat up new players).
Posted by koadah on 2019-11-26 15:07:57
LOL. I'd call that "justified cheating". ;)
If a rule really is so obviously terrible, you should exploit it, if only to try to force the league to change it.
This reminds me of early UFC. UFC I and II were advertised as "no rules".
UFC I passed off well enough. In UFC II one man got another down, locked up his arms in a kind of crucifix and proceeded to punch him in the nuts.
In UFC III they had rules. ;)
If a rule really is so obviously terrible, you should exploit it, if only to try to force the league to change it.
This reminds me of early UFC. UFC I and II were advertised as "no rules".
UFC I passed off well enough. In UFC II one man got another down, locked up his arms in a kind of crucifix and proceeded to punch him in the nuts.
In UFC III they had rules. ;)
Posted by harvestmouse on 2019-11-26 15:10:55
Posted by PaddyMick on 2019-11-24 13:00:29
"I don't see what the fuss is about tbh - the team is within the rules and played with a purpose in mind, to acheieve a good win record."
I am 100% disagree with this statement to the core of my being.
1. The idea of handicapping is to make an even match up between 2 uneven teams. The inducement rule is there to do this. By finding loopholes you are purposely breaking the rules. By playing in box, you are making it so that an almost unplayable team (for those not min-maxing at all) cannot avoid you. It's not cheating, but you're cheating the rules.
2. "to achieve a good win record" You could do the same with a team that just goes for the win. This team and coach have clearly made it a goal to maim and retire teams too.
3. And the main one. This is not a professional sport. You do not gain anything in the real world by winning or losing. This isn't even a commercial product where you can say '**** the greedy programmers'. This is a hobby...OUR HOBBY. I truly believe it is our responsibility to protect that hobby and play the game how it was intended...........not find loopholes that drive away the more casual players. Now this is what has happened and the OP is desperately trying to garner interest in saving the division.
I think we really need to take a reality check at times and think what the site actually means to us. It's been here for well over 15 years now and survives on love an nurturing.
"I don't see what the fuss is about tbh - the team is within the rules and played with a purpose in mind, to acheieve a good win record."
I am 100% disagree with this statement to the core of my being.
1. The idea of handicapping is to make an even match up between 2 uneven teams. The inducement rule is there to do this. By finding loopholes you are purposely breaking the rules. By playing in box, you are making it so that an almost unplayable team (for those not min-maxing at all) cannot avoid you. It's not cheating, but you're cheating the rules.
2. "to achieve a good win record" You could do the same with a team that just goes for the win. This team and coach have clearly made it a goal to maim and retire teams too.
3. And the main one. This is not a professional sport. You do not gain anything in the real world by winning or losing. This isn't even a commercial product where you can say '**** the greedy programmers'. This is a hobby...OUR HOBBY. I truly believe it is our responsibility to protect that hobby and play the game how it was intended...........not find loopholes that drive away the more casual players. Now this is what has happened and the OP is desperately trying to garner interest in saving the division.
I think we really need to take a reality check at times and think what the site actually means to us. It's been here for well over 15 years now and survives on love an nurturing.
Posted by harvestmouse on 2019-11-26 15:13:12
@Koadah
The problem with that is the site isn't in control or has any impact on the rules. For table top (the intended use of the game) it's not really a problem. As I said above I think it is up to each individual to respect that this is a hobby and abide by the game as it is intended.
UFC is a professional sport where you have something to gain. This is not.
The problem with that is the site isn't in control or has any impact on the rules. For table top (the intended use of the game) it's not really a problem. As I said above I think it is up to each individual to respect that this is a hobby and abide by the game as it is intended.
UFC is a professional sport where you have something to gain. This is not.
Posted by koadah on 2019-11-26 15:57:08
@harvestmouse: That is where we disagree. IMO, the commissioner's word is law.
If the commish says that "every team must have at least one re-roll", then every team must have at least one re-roll. Ranked & Box are leagues. Just Big ones. ;)
The commissioner's word is to follow the official rules to the letter where possible. That is the commissioner's choice. E.g. he did consider nerfing CPOMB. He didn't actually do it. But it was his choice to do it or not.
There are good arguments for sticking with the official rules. But it is still the commish's choice.
Cyanide still does well enough with a bizarre hotchpotch of home-brewed and outdated rules.
How many games/sports professional or otherwise, do you know that don't have any rules?
If the commish says that "every team must have at least one re-roll", then every team must have at least one re-roll. Ranked & Box are leagues. Just Big ones. ;)
The commissioner's word is to follow the official rules to the letter where possible. That is the commissioner's choice. E.g. he did consider nerfing CPOMB. He didn't actually do it. But it was his choice to do it or not.
There are good arguments for sticking with the official rules. But it is still the commish's choice.
Cyanide still does well enough with a bizarre hotchpotch of home-brewed and outdated rules.
How many games/sports professional or otherwise, do you know that don't have any rules?
Posted by koadah on 2019-11-26 16:18:05
Points 1,2 & 3.
I agree with you about nurturing the site, but people have different ideas about when "team management" becomes "min/maxing".
I suspect that you may be against any kind of teams management. How many people agree with your view on that?
If people are very out of order, then put in a rule to deal with them. Which is the intended point of "Rookie Protection".
I agree with you about nurturing the site, but people have different ideas about when "team management" becomes "min/maxing".
I suspect that you may be against any kind of teams management. How many people agree with your view on that?
If people are very out of order, then put in a rule to deal with them. Which is the intended point of "Rookie Protection".
Posted by PainState on 2019-11-27 20:12:25
I find it very amusing that the bold proclamation that the team is retired BECAUSE one match had a 1+mil inducement differential.
The team that relied on that differential and picking off low TV teams is retiring because of that? Serious? Really? The mechanics that feed that beastly team is the reason they will retire after one match.
I sense a deeper motivation is in "play" here.
The team that relied on that differential and picking off low TV teams is retiring because of that? Serious? Really? The mechanics that feed that beastly team is the reason they will retire after one match.
I sense a deeper motivation is in "play" here.
Posted by Balle2000 on 2019-11-30 10:49:34
This team is not retired.