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2011-07-11 21:56:36
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League Idea
Now I probably don't have nearly enough experience to run a league of my own, so I really don't know why I thought of this, but if someone wants to rip it off for whatever reason, sure knock yourself out.
Anyhow, a few days ago I browsed the forums for the first time in a while and spotted a thread about long-term leagues, NHL, NFL, real life league style. Now I understand the main problem with this too however; people ditch midseason reasonably often even with 8 game seasons, and therefore a 50-game or even 20-game season wouldn't stand a chance, 20-week long seasons just aren't that interesting. However, I always like the idea of long-term leagues, with full on home games and away games, rematches during the same season making rivalries, playoffs and eventually a tournament at the end. So I thought up a compromise.
Have a long season, but have it divided into little bite-sized chunks. Organize the teams into divisions of 8 or so, standard sized, and start off with a conference season, typical 7 game affair, face every team in your division once. After those 7 weeks, there's a one week break during which people can drop out or "park" if they don't want to participate in the next section; nationals. Divisions are temporarily resolved, and everyone is randomly scheduled against 10 opponents from any division, including their own, and again they're scheduled on that week-by-week basis. 10 weeks later, another 1 week break and then playoffs (note that if you skipped nationals and somehow managed to remain on top of your division, you ARE allowed to qualify for the playoffs if you wish). Again, if you don't want to participate in the playoffs or the grand tournament you can drop out/park at this point with no penalty. Depending on the number of divisions, the top teams (W/D/L record for the total season including both divionals and nationals) of each division are put into a round robin tourney. And then the Grand Tournament; if you participated in the playoffs and won, you HAVE to do this, no ducking out now. Again, depending on the size of the league, have a knockout tournament, and crown the champion of the league. And then start again.
Assuming a reasonably large array of 4 divisions with 8 coaches each, and no dropouts/parks, this means a 7 week long divisional season, 1 week off-season, 10 week nationals season, 1 week off-season, top 2 from each division in the playoffs for a 7 week playoff season, and then 4 way ko tourney to finish off the season (2 weeks). This makes the entire combined season 28 weeks long with 26 total rounds (and max games per team for the season). The last 9 weeks only involve a few teams which could be a problem, but I suppose the other teams can have friendlies and maybe even minors during that off season.
The main problems I see occurring are these:
- 28 weeks between the beginning of every season means that if you want to join the league you have to wait up to 7 months before a new season starts, as new applicants wouldn't be able to join during nationals or the playoffs.
- Despite consisting of "mini-seasons" for the most part, same as other leagues, this one would still require a large amount of commitment if you wanted the playoffs and final tournament to have any real meaning
So what do you people think? Any other holes to point out, or does it actually seem like a doable idea? If I were to get enough confirmed support I might try to get something off the ground myself...
EDIT: Oh silly me, it was a blog not a forum thing. This is what got me thinking: Click
Anyhow, a few days ago I browsed the forums for the first time in a while and spotted a thread about long-term leagues, NHL, NFL, real life league style. Now I understand the main problem with this too however; people ditch midseason reasonably often even with 8 game seasons, and therefore a 50-game or even 20-game season wouldn't stand a chance, 20-week long seasons just aren't that interesting. However, I always like the idea of long-term leagues, with full on home games and away games, rematches during the same season making rivalries, playoffs and eventually a tournament at the end. So I thought up a compromise.
Have a long season, but have it divided into little bite-sized chunks. Organize the teams into divisions of 8 or so, standard sized, and start off with a conference season, typical 7 game affair, face every team in your division once. After those 7 weeks, there's a one week break during which people can drop out or "park" if they don't want to participate in the next section; nationals. Divisions are temporarily resolved, and everyone is randomly scheduled against 10 opponents from any division, including their own, and again they're scheduled on that week-by-week basis. 10 weeks later, another 1 week break and then playoffs (note that if you skipped nationals and somehow managed to remain on top of your division, you ARE allowed to qualify for the playoffs if you wish). Again, if you don't want to participate in the playoffs or the grand tournament you can drop out/park at this point with no penalty. Depending on the number of divisions, the top teams (W/D/L record for the total season including both divionals and nationals) of each division are put into a round robin tourney. And then the Grand Tournament; if you participated in the playoffs and won, you HAVE to do this, no ducking out now. Again, depending on the size of the league, have a knockout tournament, and crown the champion of the league. And then start again.
Assuming a reasonably large array of 4 divisions with 8 coaches each, and no dropouts/parks, this means a 7 week long divisional season, 1 week off-season, 10 week nationals season, 1 week off-season, top 2 from each division in the playoffs for a 7 week playoff season, and then 4 way ko tourney to finish off the season (2 weeks). This makes the entire combined season 28 weeks long with 26 total rounds (and max games per team for the season). The last 9 weeks only involve a few teams which could be a problem, but I suppose the other teams can have friendlies and maybe even minors during that off season.
The main problems I see occurring are these:
- 28 weeks between the beginning of every season means that if you want to join the league you have to wait up to 7 months before a new season starts, as new applicants wouldn't be able to join during nationals or the playoffs.
- Despite consisting of "mini-seasons" for the most part, same as other leagues, this one would still require a large amount of commitment if you wanted the playoffs and final tournament to have any real meaning
So what do you people think? Any other holes to point out, or does it actually seem like a doable idea? If I were to get enough confirmed support I might try to get something off the ground myself...
EDIT: Oh silly me, it was a blog not a forum thing. This is what got me thinking: Click
Comments
Posted by Kinks on 2011-07-12 07:34:35
I'm a little confused, although I did start "skimming through it towards the end. Basically if I joined I would get to play a league game every week. More leagues = more league games = better. Kinks would play :)
Posted by gibby33 on 2011-07-12 17:11:51
i would play although i would prefer that it wouldn't be a 1 off playoff game that decided the winner.
1 issue that hasn't been mentioned is the timezone this would run in (though it could be easy to keep the same time zones playing against each other at the first stage of this league)
and finally you can't combat dropouts by saying "you HAVE to do this" :)
and finally (again) there is no home & away element within a group & this makes me sad :(
1 issue that hasn't been mentioned is the timezone this would run in (though it could be easy to keep the same time zones playing against each other at the first stage of this league)
and finally you can't combat dropouts by saying "you HAVE to do this" :)
and finally (again) there is no home & away element within a group & this makes me sad :(
Posted by Enigma179 on 2011-07-12 18:16:47
How would you implement home and away games though? What effect within the current rules and client capabilities would show that a game was home or away?
Unless you mean facing a team twice every season, one "home" and one "away", that could work I suppose...
Timezones I figured would be just as much a problem in a short league as a long one so I didn't list it. And by the "You HAVE to do this" I meant that you can drop out between the other seasons without penalty, but if you go in the playoffs and get a spot in the final tourney, you can't just drop out without some sort of punishment. You'd like, get banned or something. And wouldn't have any post-season cookies.
Unless you mean facing a team twice every season, one "home" and one "away", that could work I suppose...
Timezones I figured would be just as much a problem in a short league as a long one so I didn't list it. And by the "You HAVE to do this" I meant that you can drop out between the other seasons without penalty, but if you go in the playoffs and get a spot in the final tourney, you can't just drop out without some sort of punishment. You'd like, get banned or something. And wouldn't have any post-season cookies.
Posted by gibby33 on 2011-07-12 18:43:06
when i say home & away it just means playing the same opponent twice.
as for timezones most leagues decide only to recruit from there timezone or people who can play in that timezones evening but i don't think this league should have any sort of restrictions excempt to form the initial divisions but of course its up to whoever decides to push forward with this league.
1 idea you could have for the knockout stage is 2 make each game a 2 legged affair. (kinks likes long seasons)
and most important of all will everyone receive a cookie after the season :P
as for timezones most leagues decide only to recruit from there timezone or people who can play in that timezones evening but i don't think this league should have any sort of restrictions excempt to form the initial divisions but of course its up to whoever decides to push forward with this league.
1 idea you could have for the knockout stage is 2 make each game a 2 legged affair. (kinks likes long seasons)
and most important of all will everyone receive a cookie after the season :P