Posted by MDeLarge on 2015-08-16 16:16:38

Agree! I think that the CR scoring system should be fixed

Posted by blocknroll on 2015-08-16 16:19:57

Is there really more masturbation in R than B?

Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-08-16 16:38:38

2 spring to mind and they abuse both divisions. What's more socially they seem to be held in high regard. I don't think the site self regulates itself like it used to, and that's a problem. Personally I think both divisions are equally abusable and are equally abused.

I think if you have a win rate over 65%, you should take a long hard look at yourself and consider why you are winning so much. Are you that good or are you fixing the cards? Very very few are that good.

Posted by JackassRampant on 2015-08-16 16:42:06

Disagree. If it wasn't for coaches making new teams, it would be impossible to get started in Box at off-peak times (I speak as one who has experienced this firsthand). Besides, the game plays differently at low TV, and there's no need to sacrifice that experience for the sake of somebody else's purism.

Posted by Wreckage on 2015-08-16 16:51:18

Didn't bghandras make a thread like this two days ago already?

Posted by Loew on 2015-08-16 18:09:09

Meh...do we really need self proclaimed gate keeper? especially ones that at times do their part to make their chosen division less diverse and less fun for certain type of teams?

Besides the usual "my division is more 1337 then everything else", I have no idea what this is about..but i gotta say, I understand it if people want to play mostly in lower TV regions. Even leaving clawpomb aside, it is a very different game when the player have less skills...besides, coaches that play more TableTop might be more used to low TV play

Posted by Purplegoo on 2015-08-16 18:32:17

Is there any subject more pointless and poorly argued than B v R; who is bestest?

Posted by Strider84 on 2015-08-16 18:32:47

Defenately more wanking in R, what else to do while waiting för a game forever ;-)
As long as they always activate all races they can play at whichever tv imo.

Posted by Purplegoo on 2015-08-16 18:45:59

By the way, I know you're American Bill, but I don't think the word used complies with site policy. I'd edit it out in the forum as a mod. I am the very last person that would worry about language in real life or give you any stick elsewhere on the Internet, but since we're on FUMBBL, I'd edit it before the staff happen across it, if I were you.

Terrific click bait, mind. Which I suppose was the point.

Posted by pythrr on 2015-08-16 19:16:53

esp. the 1100 TV amazon CR buff teams.

i mean, seriously, zons at low TV are just easy mode. what's the point?

Posted by garyt1 on 2015-08-16 19:16:56

some people just love to win above all else, even if the cards are stacked in their favour.

Posted by Kam on 2015-08-16 19:24:23

I do agree with the OP but turning this into a B v R debate is ridiculous. And he seems to forget the teams he plays in the Box (more than 3000 games with Chaos...) have turned off more players than the R coaches who go easy mode with Zons in the Box.

And don't get me wrong: I love cPOMB teams and I applaud every single Cas, but you know what they about the kettle and the pot...

Posted by pythrr on 2015-08-16 20:25:42

is it cos i iz a kettle?

Posted by King_Ghidra on 2015-08-16 21:44:07

"The Box is meant to be a true open environment."

Pretty sure it's meant to be the exact opposite. Hence why it's a box - a black one at that. You put your hand in the box, and you play what you get out. Obviously whining about the teams and coaches you pull out is not written into the divisional fluff, but as we've learnt, if there's one thing box players can't get enough of, it's telling their fellow coaches what they should put in the box.

Posted by Cloggy on 2015-08-16 21:45:31

Oh, wow.

A blog post or comment where Bill talks shit about Ranked. How refreshing!

Perhaps you should explein in more depth about how you are the keeper of the Flame of Truth. The high priest of true Bloodbowl and the guarddian of all that is right on this site.

Just in case there is still a coach here who has missed the previous 8749865726355425 instances of your self righteous BS.

Posted by Calcium on 2015-08-16 22:07:03

How about

Ranked and Box face off to the death...Obviously the box team will remove their shirts and wave them like a copter because we are far more BUFF and ROWDY than our flabby pathetic ranked counterparts....

FIGHT!

Posted by Sammler_der_Seelen on 2015-08-16 22:10:08

i played high tv teams in the box in the past and played over 2000 box games,and yes thanks i leave it to ranked now .it just starts to be boring meet one chaos/nurgle/cd build in 60 % of the games over a certain tv ( but maybe im wrong and thats the true bloodbowl you intend ).

Posted by koadah on 2015-08-16 22:19:09

You're right Bill.

Everybody out off the Box!

Leave the CPOMB Boys alone to enjoy their circle jerk. If they can find each other's tiny todgers that is.

Posted by pythrr on 2015-08-16 22:21:54

BS and wanking and CPOMBing!

this post has all the funs!

Posted by Dhaktokh on 2015-08-16 22:22:32

I have been away for a while from here. I am not sure if that gives me any perspectives, since I regardless have been (and played) here for so long.

But I remember when we had great long crazy chats in the open channel over the years.
I want the open, fun climate. I also love teams with 100+ games btw.
But blogs like this just don't want me to come back if this is the communication nowadays.

And Bill, who knows, maybe you are one of the reasons people don't want to play higher tv in the Box. Maybe its my zons. Who knows?

Best regards
"a true open environment"

Posted by Dalfort on 2015-08-16 22:27:55

despite any appearances of self rightousness, Bill is the only coach to date to have played every race against every other race, as such I would grant him some credence in his point of view. Equally I stay firmly sat on the fence as to others counter points. I do intend to activate more in Box but overall reduce the number of games I play in general (I need to get out and about on my bike for my mind and body :D ).

Good luck to anybody I meet in the Box regardless of the ranking I hope we can have a fun/enjoyable game of Blood Bowl.

Posted by Azure on 2015-08-16 22:35:18

While I do not like the whole R vs B debate. The point about picking/abusing the system sucks - playing team for 10 games then retiring and playing another new team to try to pick on noobs is shameful in my opinion.

Although, according to harvestmouse I am likely some picker/cheater or something - so really not much to be gained from this.

Really just hope people play for fun and that both people playing a game can have a good time - that is why we are here. Hopefully everyone works towards that outcome.

Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-08-16 22:36:27

I think this blog highlights the problems with the site right now. Too many characters that think they're bigger than the game, too much negativity (myself included). Join the divisions, and stop this crap at least.

Posted by BillBrasky on 2015-08-16 23:04:11

It's so refreshing to wake up & read a drunk post that I wrote & find it has brought joy to so many (myself included)!

Posted by Kam on 2015-08-16 23:36:32

\o/

Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-08-16 23:48:26

@Azure, I said look at yourself. You decide whether you're abusing the system or not. I can't decide that. Has your win % changed much in the last 4 years? In your defence I'd say maybe you're one of the few who could average above 65. On the flip side, I'd say Lost Paladins are too much.

@Brasky swipe, when my initial comment wasn't aimed at you particularly. I think you're point is valid (just not your remedy).

Posted by koadah on 2015-08-16 23:56:06

Not a valid point at all. If restarting teams is the only way to eke some enjoyment out of the site then go do it.

Posted by Arktoris on 2015-08-16 23:57:55

several years ago when people pleaded for the cherry pickers to stop min/maxing cpomb teams in the Box...what did you do, Bill?

what goes around comes around.

Box is for pickers. Always has, always will. Why fight it?

Posted by Beerox on 2015-08-17 00:28:30

2500 TV monothematic ClawPOMB teams drive off new blood also.

Posted by pythrr on 2015-08-17 01:02:46

I don't think anyone can accuse Azure of being a picker. He plays rats, for the love of the gods... ;)

He's one of the consistently top coaches on here.

And, honestly people, you are just feeding the old Billeh troll.

Posted by Azure on 2015-08-17 02:26:11

Yeah, that is the thing - anyone can consider someone picking or abusing. No set standard. Harvestmouse does not like my Lost Paladins (a Squig Herder team that played several S tournaments) - others think playing any stunty team is great. Other people can point out some other team that think is unfair or whatnot. Everyone has different standards and can come to their own conclusions. That is why I say we should focus on having fun - chat during the game, engage your opponent and genuinely try to have them enjoy the game as well.

Posted by Arktoris on 2015-08-17 03:06:37

"No set standard."

basically the standard is, if the two teams/coaches were reversed, would you decline the game.

Posted by Lorebass on 2015-08-17 03:10:59

And lets be fair, the only reason why Azure's Paladins won that first Stunty cup was because he got really good with the 6+ pickups against my team (another set of squigs... shhh)

Posted by BillBrasky on 2015-08-17 03:22:46

Arktoris, that doesn't apply in the box.

We play all games drawn.

But by your standard, if I was new, and some "Legend" that keeps recycling new teams drew me for my 1st few games, I'd probably learn from the beatings, then think to myself what a chump that guy is only playing vs. noobs.

Posted by Kondor on 2015-08-17 03:28:41

Not happy with either division right now. I sit around waiting for a game in Ranked. Then I activate in the box only to have it not go off. I just want to play.

Posted by Arktoris on 2015-08-17 04:35:29

Bill,

The whole "we play all games drawn" smokescreen may fool some people...but not me.

As you've already pointed out, focusing on new teams allows poaching. Therefore cherrypicking DOES HAPPEN in the box. It just alters its playing style a little.

As for me, I accept it. Box is where your suppose to cherrypick. It's no holds barred, all tactics good. One turners, cpomb, min/maxing, serial fouling, sweet spotting TV of your team roster...exploiting any loophole is ok and encouraged by the rules. the only thing not allowed...is moaning and groaning about it. Not your playstyle? No prob. Play ranked. Someone tries to cherry you...just say "no thanks".

Have fun!

Posted by the_Sage on 2015-08-17 09:25:41

Restarting all kinds of fun teams to play low TV box and avoid the mess that is WMD is one thing, restarting zons with 10 linewomen and one killer is rubbish. So is maxmax chaos.

Posted by Medon on 2015-08-17 10:03:41

This whole picking discussion is pointless. In [R], BOTH teams need to agree to a match, so BOTH the noob goblin coach AND the legend amazon coach are happy with the pick they just made. If it makes you happy it can't be that bad

Posted by bghandras on 2015-08-17 10:21:35

The only way to support the box is to activate lots of teams, with variant TV ranges. If you activate only rookie teams, then the scheduler will have little option. If you only activate monster high TV teams, then the scheduler will have little option.

ACTIVATE ALL MENZ!

Posted by BillBrasky on 2015-08-17 10:38:02

Medon... How does the noob know what is good? Oh Naivety!

Posted by coombz on 2015-08-17 11:27:21

"Retiring teams because they hit 1200TV or trimming to stay in poach-range is not in the spirit of open (Box) play in my book."

i got this far, and then i died laughing

goodbye forever

Posted by erased000026 on 2015-08-17 11:35:59

This is fun - Bill, the teams you play by far the most in Box are minmax (is that the right phrase?) teams, that exploit keeping a low rating so they can face rookie teams/coaches:D

Posted by Calcium on 2015-08-17 13:32:26

Actually Emphasy, Bill is not guilty of minmaxing at all, he takes the high/low TR swings naturally as opposed to carefully manufacturing a low TR to enhance his win/loss record.

And any claims that Bill is part of the problem in the box is bollocks. He is one of the most diverse coaches in B at the moment.

Posted by koadah on 2015-08-17 13:59:56

On his last page of games half his box games are WMDs.

He is still part of the problem. Along with pixel huggers and the rules of course. ;)

Posted by MattDakka on 2015-08-17 14:03:48

Accusing Bill of minmaxing is ridiculous. He generally plays high TV, sometimes WMD loses some players and drops to lower TV but it's not intentional and it's not minmaxing for sure.
I find more annoying some coaches that keep on retiring and create new teams very performing at low TV, i.e. intentional sweetspotting, in order to get easy wins.
Creating the same team over and over again for no reason (i.e. without having suffered a lot of CAS during the early matches thus being unable to develop the team further) should be forbidden.

Posted by BillBrasky on 2015-08-17 17:29:32

There is a witch!

Should we burn her!!????

Oh wait, it's a smurf... Farq it, we are [R]eal lamers, let's just fuss about & kill it, because we lack the stones to play properly. We can't be forced to admit we only play games we will win (barring stupid dice).

Posted by albinv on 2015-08-17 17:34:12

Oh blood bowl, oh fumbbl...your essence is subjective perception.

Posted by mrt1212 on 2015-08-17 18:29:54

The only thing that's off about this is that there are coaches who suffer from not being able to get games at low TV. Unfortunately for them getting a game requires new teams to get them up and running, a bit of inertia if you will. Without somebody, anybody, throwing in new teams they're would be fewer matches made.

It's not a huge problem for people like me and Bill who play a few high TV teams very often but I know a few newbs who are having a tough time getting games and it's something I could rectify if I felt like ever creating a new team.

Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-08-17 19:57:51

Well it is actually. If these coaches are acting like a bait fish net, fewer teams will get to a higher TV (or fewer coaches as potential new coaches become fed up with being picked). I think generally Ranked (or League if controlled) is the better division for brand new coaches, until they can judge what is happening and why they are losing.

Again, I really think we should regulate ourselves, but I don't think that's going to happen. Look at what you are doing and is it good for the site, and in the long run you getting games. Winning is important to nearly all of us, and our morale. However being overly competitive in what is a game with nothing actually to gain from winning is well........a little bit sad.

Posted by JimmyFantastic on 2015-08-17 20:39:09

And what determines "overly" competitive? The man called harvestmouse' personal opinion? OK then.

Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-08-17 21:07:02

By that, I mean not getting the main premise of the game. To have fun, that being both parties and to not dilute the fantasy experience. I think, once you are on the pitch, you should try your best to win, but stay within the borders of having fun for both parties. An example being timing people just because the timer reached 4 minutes because those are the rules.........seriously? Take a look at yourself and your place in society. On top of this outside of 'in game' then don't load the dice. Trying to make a team that falls outside of a build that wasn't anticipated and therefore loads the dice, just to win at a hobby.......How can you say any louder than 'I have a 8cm penis and can't get any'.....I mean grow up, this is a game for mature adults. If you need to fulfill your competitive desire to win at any cost and cannot find it anywhere else than a wizard and elf hobby game then.......that is very very sad.

Posted by coombz on 2015-08-17 21:45:50

so people taking advantage of the CRPs crapness and the way Box matches teams and spamming an uninspired, skill-obviating build to win games at high TV is ok

however, taking advantage of the CRPs crapness and the way Box matches teams to spam cheesy 1000 tv teams for easy wins is not ok

I guess it all depends on who is doing it ;)

Posted by pythrr on 2015-08-17 21:53:04

This thread is why we can't have nice things.

Posted by albinv on 2015-08-17 21:56:16

8cm er? Wow!

Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-08-17 21:58:42

Was that aimed at me? Most of your comments usually are. I don't remember commenting as you assume.

I like pretty much anybody with a brain believe that CPOMB needs fixing, but fixing CPOMB needs to be done with care, not just a castration job. Fixing TV match making is a much bigger issue in my mind. We've seen a few posts recently of new coaches or newly returned coaches that just don't get the mindset of the tread water mentality. It's just wrong and isn't doing the site any favours what so ever. I think the OP gets that so he has my respect for that, not for CPOMB spamming.

Posted by harvestmouse on 2015-08-17 23:27:42

To clarify my comment was aimed at Coombz, not at Pyth or Alb.

Posted by JimmyFantastic on 2015-08-18 09:29:06

Hi, I am Harvestmouse. If you don't play the same way as me not only are you very very sad you also have a tiny penis.

Posted by MattDakka on 2015-08-18 19:07:33

@harvestmouse: "However being overly competitive in what is a game with nothing actually to gain from winning is well........a little bit sad."

I disagree, if you are a competitive coach winning is absolutely fun and addictive.
What you wrote fits the casual coach who doesn't mind losing or winning as long as he plays a match.

Posted by Nightbird on 2015-09-06 17:57:44

In other words "to each his own."
And w/ that said...

o/