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2024-07-30 13:00:31
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Re-drafting interaction with tournaments
With seasons and re-drafting in a fairly advanced testing state, the next step is to ensure that tournaments interact properly with re-drafting. I've been looking at how this could work and trying to come up with something that is relatively easy to use, but has the options that seem useful. However, I don't have the context of all the various custom leagues and tournaments out there and need some feedback on if my current draft allows enough flexibility or of there's something missing.

The current design works as follows:

From a tournament perspective, there will be a new setting called "Tournament Type". This is the only control available for tournaments, and it will control a number of underlying settings. The tournament types are as follows:

Tournament Types
TournamentTournament EntryDuring TournamentTournament Exit
TypeRequire End of SeasonAllow excess gamesRe-draft modeAllow Manual End-SeasonRe-draft mode
TransparentNoYesDefaultRuleset defaultDefault
MinorNoNoNoneNoDefault
QualifierYesNoNoneNoEnd Season
MajorYesNoNoneNoForce
InvitationalYesYesNoneNoForce

Require End of Season
Set to Yes if teams must be in end-of-season state to enter

Allow excess games
Set to Yes if teams are allowed to have more than the season limit number of games played

Re-draft mode
Re-draft modeDescription
DefaultTeams go into post-match or end-of-season as per ruleset settings
NoneTeam always goes into post-match
End SeasonTeams are forced into end-season
ForceTeams are forced into re-drafting

Allow Manual End-Season
Sets whether or not a team can manually enter end-of-season while participating in the tournament. Ruleset default means it uses the ruleset setting for this.

Hopefully, the above is clear enough to understand, and I would be more than happy to hear from those of you who run custom leagues and are considering or already are running tournaments within a season-enabled league. Am I missing something?
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Posted by Nelphine on 2024-07-30 13:27:17
While I understand that minor would allow this already, you may want a tournament type called 'no redraft' just for intuitive sake, for leagues that do not use redraft. It would have the same answers as minors.

My thought is specifically for leagues being created by new administration to try to avoid too many questions being sent to you about how to make a tournament when their league doesn't use redraft.
Posted by Christer on 2024-07-30 13:29:44
This setting only applies to tournaments run under a ruleset where seasons are enabled.
Posted by Nelphine on 2024-07-30 13:31:23
Similarly, while I understand it's what transparent is for, you may want something like 'mid season' with the same answers as transparent, for those leagues who use tournament structure for their regular season games (which, from my experience, is the most common league set up.) Again, just trying to find a name to reduce questions sent to you by new league admins
Posted by Nelphine on 2024-07-30 13:32:39
Right, some leagues have seasons, without redraft.
Posted by Carthage on 2024-07-30 21:24:28
Wrapping my head around this.

So I run a league where people are placed into 2 divisions based on time zone availability. They then play everyone in their division twice via 2 rounds of a round-robin tournament then cut to top 2 of each division for a playoff bracket. Several leagues I have been in do similar things with divisions where everyone plays each other once in one tournament, then have to create a second tournament just for division rivals.

Currently this takes 5 tournaments to achieve. Two for the first round of both divisions. Two for the second round. Then one for the actual knockout playoff tournament.

I have 2 main concerns:
1) The first is going to be the transitions between each of those 5 tournaments. The first round I would likely label as non-redraft. Then I guess I could put redraft at the end of the 2nd round. But I recall you were working on a playoff tool as well where it seeds based off of final rankings. That's great but unless it can incorporate results achieved in round 1, then that isn't a feature I can use for setting my seeding. Which means I probably have to set round 2 to either no redraft or forced redraft. Which gets complicated as I redraft the teams who didn't make playoffs while not redrafting the ones that did.

2) Second issue is similar to the seeding problem. Can the treasury calculation incorporate previous tournament results? If not then I'll have to manually set that as well.

Even with both of those issues, I can find value in the tool you did for the actual redrafting process, but I think if there was a way to set up a season bracket to allow rematches, you would solve a lot of GM's headaches on here.
Maybe something similar to the matchup matrix in the statistics page and the GM can input a number for the amount of times that matchup should occur in a round robin format?
Posted by The_Murker on 2024-07-30 21:26:20
I'm making the assumption that a league admin can force any team into re-draft mode at any time. If that's the case, I don't feel like there is a strong requirement to have the above settings in place for a custom league where the admin is even slightly 'hands on.'

My second assumption is that all of the things described above ARE required to run the Comp division, etc. and therefore you are willing to make these same tools available to the admin of custom leagues.

If that's the case, I'm interested to learn how a league admin could actually use each of the above settings. I guess I'm fishing for specific examples.. but maybe there are none, outside of the Comp division.

Maybe there is a case for some of these settings if an admin is trying to fully automate their league because they will be away for a long time?

Could I ask how one could effectively use the settings above in the two most common league formats that I'm aware of?

1) I think a European soccer league is just a repeating cycle of Round Robin tournaments, one for each 'Season.' The champion is decided by having the best record in a given round robin tournament. It might be nice to have everyone forced into redraft at the end of the tournament. Would this be a never ending cycle of [b]Majors[/b]?

2) Most North American style leagues I've played in are Round Robin tournaments for a regular season, followed by a separate Knock-Out tournament for the play-off, using only the top 8 or so teams. Would this be a relatively hands-on [b]Transparent[/b] followed by a [b]Major[/b]?


Posted by Nelphine on 2024-07-30 23:12:37
i know my intention for something like NBFL (if we didn't have special draft rules) would be something like:

start season

4 7 round transparent tournaments for the first round, manually note down the scores from each of those 4 tournaments
4 7 round transparents tournaments for the second round, and before the first round starts, update all the scores based on the first round scores

league setting is for 14 game seasons, so all teams that played all their games will now be at the limit.. how do i handle forfeits during the season so that i can make those teams count as being at end of season as well? how do i specify that 1 (or both or neither) of the teams in the forfeited game count as having played their game for redraft purposes?

2 qualifier tournaments for those teams who qualify for the playoffs
1 major tournament for those teams that qualify for the superbowl

end season

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